This annoying marriage

[Fatman]

Ive mentioned this in other threads, but through it deserved its own.

Samuel Hall's (1841) parents were Samuel Hall b 1818 Smethwick and Lettitia Betts b 1819 who married in Saint Martin Birmingham May 7 1837 - The witnesses were Robert Powell and Robert Hall.
Samuel (1818) also remarried a Jane ??? after his first wifes death.
Jane born Tipton, Staffordshire, England ...

The marriage of Samuel to Jane was between 1851 and 1861 proved in the census

Ive ruled out
Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
Hall Samuel Birmingham 6d 41 -> Jane Webster
and
Jane Pettinger from IGI

as Samuel appears as batchelor on both certs

Any help pls?

[FarSide]

Is this them

1861
Samuel Hall 44
Jane Hall 31
Samuel Hall 19
Sarah Ann Hall 13
Emma Hall 7
Joseph Hall 4
James Hall 1
Mary Jane Stibbe 13 - Dom serv

1871
Roe Buck Street, West Bromwich
Samuel Hall 50 - Fitter
Jane Hall 40
Joseph Hall 14 - Forge man
James Hall 12 - Works in a forge
William Hall 8
Frederick Hall 3
George Hall 8
Ada Hall 8 Months
Emma Hall 17
all b West Bromwich

Long shot - If this is the correct Fred - cert would give you Jane's maiden name
1868
HALL Frederick Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/30/424

1881
99 Roebuck Street,
Jane Hall 48 - Widow - b Tipton
James Hall 21 - Tape? maker
George Hall 18 - Tape? maker
William Hall 18 - Driller
Frederick Hall 13
others b Smethwick

[Fatman]

Ok , now i feel v silly!
Thanks FarSide (Why didnt I think of that!)

EDIT: As long as that is the right one!

Here some of the children from IGI - any help with matching to Freebmd:

Joseph Betts Hall
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: North Harborne, Stafford, England
parents: Samuel Hall, Jane Hall

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Joseph Betts Hall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Jan 1859
baptism/christening place: North Harborne, Stafford, England
father's name: Samuel Hall
mother's name: Jane Hall
indexing project (batch) number: I01086-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6085662
George Hall
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Smethwick, Stafford, England
parents: Samuel Hall, Jane Hall

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: George Hall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Feb 1864
baptism/christening place: Smethwick, Stafford, England
father's name: Samuel Hall
mother's name: Jane Hall
indexing project (batch) number: I05247-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6085662
James Hall
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Smethwick, Stafford, England
parents: Samuel Hall, Jane Hall

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: James Hall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Feb 1864
baptism/christening place: Smethwick, Stafford, England
father's name: Samuel Hall
mother's name: Jane Hall
indexing project (batch) number: I05247-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6085662
William Hall
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Smethwick, Stafford, England
parents: Samuel Hall, Jane Hall

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: William Hall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Feb 1864
baptism/christening place: Smethwick, Stafford, England
father's name: Samuel Hall
mother's name: Jane Hall
indexing project (batch) number: I05247-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6085662

[Fatman]

Maybe:

Name: Frederick Hall
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Kings Norton (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 471 (click to see others on page)

1864
HALL William Edward King's N 6c 456

[grangers14]

May be better on the Black Country Section Andrew?
Shall I move it?
Jo

[Fatman]

Ah go on then!
Ive posted my look up in the lookup request thread...

[grangers14]

Okie Doke!
I'll move it over. You may get more help
Jo

[grangers14]

Is that a birth record you added to look ups Andrew?
If it is it cany be looked up, unless you can see a possible christening?

[FarSide]

A long long long shot
Poss a late marriage, do you know when Samuel died.. could be Letitia and Jane were related..

Have added for a lookup..
1872
BETTS Jane HALL Samuel Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/4/325

poss death
1875
HALL Samuel Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/21/380

1851
Upper Green, Tipton
Jane Betts 16 - Boatmans daughter
Hannah Betts 14 - Boatmans daughter
both b Tipton - appear to be living alone

No Jane - poss with Samuel..
1861
James Betts 56 - Forge labourer
Sarah Betts 53
Joseph Betts 26 - Forge labourer
Sarah Betts 23
Hannah Betts 23 - Servant
James Betts 19 - Forge labourer
Abraham Betts 16
Martha Betts 13
Thomas Betts 10
William Betts 5 - Nephew
all b Tipton

[FarSide]

Trying to find a connection between Letitia and Jane Betts

Extracted
LETITIA BETTS
Christening: 22 SEP 1822 Smethwick, Stafford
Parents:
Father: ABRAHAM BETTS
Mother: HANNAH

sibs
SARAH BETTS
Female Christening: 22 SEP 1822 Smethwick, Stafford

GEORGE BETTS
Male Christening: 22 SEP 1822 Smethwick, Stafford

MARY ANN BETTS
Female Christening: 26 JUN 1814 Smethwick

JAMES BETTS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 OCT 1807 Smethwick

ABRAHAM BETTS
Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH THOMPSON
Marriage: 10 JUN 1802 Saint Martin, Birmingham



Jane Betts
Extracted
JANE BETTS
Christening: 08 SEP 1833 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
Parents:
Father: JAMES BETTS ( poss Christening: 18 OCT 1807 Smethwick)
Mother: SARAH

Poss
Submitted
JAMES BETTS
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH STANLEY
Marriage: 28 FEB 1831 Dudley, Worcester

[Northern Lass]

Here you go FS look up done by Rockyfowler

21 July 1872 St Giles rowley Regis
Samuel HALL 45 W Fitter Smethwick Father Joseph Hall Fitter
Jane BETTS 40 S Smethwick Father James Betts Labourer The Marks of Both
Wit; Job Siviter X Sarah Siviter X

did you get that look up I emailed you too?

[FarSide]

Thx RF for the lookup

It was a long shot so back to the drawing board..
Looking for a marriage between Letitias death 1855 & 1857 Joseph I reckon Samuel and Jane's first child

death
1855
HALL Letitia Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/7/331
HALL Letitia Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/7/344

I'll add the Betts etc.. from this lot

and yes got the email thx NL & Antie I'll put it on BCC..

[Fatman]

Right - Thanks for you help!

I think :

poss death
1875
HALL Samuel Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/21/380

Is correct as he disappears between 1871 and 1881 census.

However, I think the marriages posted are not the right Samuel Hall - I do however, think they are related somehow, as they are engine fitters from Smethwick.

Perhaps Joseph Hall mentioned as Samuel 1827 (who Married Janes) father could be a sibling of my Samuel Hall?

Could we try and find a connection between Samuel Hall 1827 and Samuel Hall 1818 - possibly through Joseph Hall?

[Fatman]

I agree thats Letitia's Death.

Josephe Betts Hall, was Samuel and Janes first child - perhaps in rememberance?

[Northern Lass]

Thx RF for the lookup

It was a long shot so back to the drawing board..
Looking for a marriage between Letitias death 1855 & 1857 Joseph I reckon Samuel and Jane's first child

death
1855
HALL Letitia Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/7/331
HALL Letitia Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/7/344

I'll add the Betts etc.. from this lot

and yes got the email thx NL & Antie I'll put it on BCC..

I have added Samuel and Letitia here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=29814471

have the others been added can't see em on BCC