John James of Cakemore about 1821 or 1822 to after 1891 cens

[cakemore]

John James of Cakemore about 1821 or 1822 to after 1891 census

This particular John James has an incomplete history on BCC, but bits and pieces are there.
Here is a bit more:

His grand parents are Charlotte and Joseph Westwood.

Charlotte Adams married Joseph Westwood 3 June 1793, Clent.
Their children are christened in Rowley Regis:

James 14 Sep 1794
Thomas 31 Jan 1796
Ann 7 Apr 1798
Decimus 23 Mar 1800
Joseph 4 Nov 1804
Edward 8 Mar 1807

All the children are named in Joseph Westwood’s will.
He also names John James as his grandson.

They lived at Holt, Cakemore, just by Penncricket Lane.

Joseph Westwood died in 1847, buried 29 April 1847 Rowley Regis aged 78. Charlotte Westwood was buried 24 December 1854 age 79 Rowley Regis. Joseph’s will is in a collection of solicitors documents in Dudley Archives Ref DSCAM/3/455. Probate 23 September 1847, execs son James Westwood and Grandson John James.

Ann Westwood married Horatio James 24 April 1824, Birmingham St Martins.
Horatio James is named as John James father when he marries Sophia Baker in 1843. Also John and Sophia are full age.

John James appears in the census as follows:

1841 with the Westwoods (Shropshire/Hales Owen/Halesowen/District 12/page 3 of 9) age 20
1851 with Charlotte Westwood and his children (Worcestershire/Cakemore/District 5/page 17 of 26) age 30, widower
1861 Darby Hand (Worcestershire/Dudley/District 44/ page 23 and 24 of 31) age 39 with new wife Louisa
1871 Netherton, 38 Withymoor Road (Worcestershire/Dudley/District 44/page 21 of 31) age 49
1881 25 Legge Street (Warwickshire/Birmingham/St Geoarge/District 61 and 62/page 29 of 59) age 59
1891 36 Legge Street (Warwickshire/Birmingham/St George/District 53/page34 of 40 age 71

The move to Birmingham makes sense because the E James gun factory is in Legge Street. Enos James was the grandson of Horatio.

John James married Sophia Baker 6 June 1843, fathers are Horatio James and Joseph Baker. wits are Sophia’s sister Mary and Isaac Hadley
Sophia died 1851 and is buried Rowley Regis, 26 Feb 1851.

John and Sophia’s children are:
Ambrose age 9 in 1851 with John James in 1851
Mary Ann age 2 in 1851 age 13 in 1861 with John James in 1851
Ellen (Hellen) with her grandmother Ann James in 1851; Horatio died
Sophia with her mother’s family (Fletcher and Hadley) in Long Lane in 1851 but as a niece Sophia Westwood age 4 months

John James married Louisa Guest, widow of Daniel Guest, daughter of Charles and Margaret Hill.
Louisa has two sons Henry Guest and John Guest.


John and Louisa have children:
Margaret Ann born 15 Jan 1853 bap 29 Oct 1854 Dudley St Thomas
Daniel born 26 Aug 1855 bap 29 Oct 1854 Dudley St Thomas
Sarah born 8 Jul 1858 bap 18 Mar 1860 Dudley St Thomas

the children’s marriages (probably):

Ambrose to Hannah Troman, father Noah Troman. 1 Jun 1863 Dudley St Edmunds
Mary Ann to ? Chandler
Ellen to Joseph Hollies, son of Joseph Hollies. 14 Feb 1869 Dudley
Sophia to Thomas Westwood.
Margaret Ann to Thomas Cornwell, recorded as Cornwall. 30 Jul 1871 Dudley
Daniel??
Sarah to John Smith, son of John Smith. 24 May 1874 Dudley

There is a problem:
John James is a fairly common name and there is definitely another one of similar age in the Dudley area:
John James 1820 bap Dudley St Thomas
John James marries Ann Perkins, 20 October 1842 Dudley St Thomas
Ambrose James, born 1842

Because Ambrose James, son of John and Sophia is born before they are married he is probably one of the births recorded as Male baby Baker.
I can’t find any record of John James, son of Horatio and Ann Westwood being born, probably because he was born before they were married.

I can’t find any record of death that is certain for either John James or Louisa Hill Guest James
But, maybe I have not looked in the right places.

[Northern Lass]

so you are talking about this John James
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =301330881

do you have his marriage to Louisa hill?

or a bapt?

[Northern Lass]

can someone post the full census pls
John James appears in the census as follows:

1841 with the Westwoods (Shropshire/Hales Owen/Halesowen/District 12/page 3 of 9) age 20
1851 with Charlotte Westwood and his children (Worcestershire/Cakemore/District 5/page 17 of 26) age 30, widower
1861 Darby Hand (Worcestershire/Dudley/District 44/ page 23 and 24 of 31) age 39 with new wife Louisa
1871 Netherton, 38 Withymoor Road (Worcestershire/Dudley/District 44/page 21 of 31) age 49
1881 25 Legge Street (Warwickshire/Birmingham/St Geoarge/District 61 and 62/page 29 of 59) age 59
1891 36 Legge Street (Warwickshire/Birmingham/St George/District 53/page34 of 40 age 71

[cakemore]

so you are talking about this John James
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =301330881

do you have his marriage to Louisa hill?

or a bapt?

Yes, that is the correct John James.
I have not found his bapt.

His marriage to Louisa is in her married name of Guest.
It agrees with BCC note.
Here is the WMBMD reference.

Marriage 1851 Guest and James

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It won't let me send a pdf.

Cakemore

[BC Wench]

Here are the 2 marriages of John James from FreeREG

1) Marriage: 6 June 1843 at St John the Baptist, Halesowen, Worcs (From FreeREG)
John James, Bachelor, Nailer, Gosty Hill, Father: Horatio James, Nailer
Sophia Baker, Spinster, Nailer, Gosty Hill, Father: Joseph Baker, Nailer
Wit: Isaac Hadley, Mary Willetts
(No Ages Given for Groom & Bride)

2) Marriage: 31 December 1851 at Christ Church, Oldbury, Worcs (From FreeREG)
John James, FA, Widower, Nailer, Oldbury, Father: Horatio James, Nailer
Louisa Guest, FA, Widow, Oldbury, Father: Charles Hale, Scythe Grinder (Looks like father's name should read Hill not Hale?)
Wit: William James, John Hill

1841 Census: Cakemore, Halesowen, Worcs
Joseph Westward, 70, Nail Maker
Charlotte Westward, 60, Nail Maker
Edwd Westward, 34, Nail Maker
Desemus Westward, 39, Nail Maker
John James, 20, Not born in County
(All others born in County)

1851 Census: Holt Lane, Cakemore, Worcs
John James, Head.Wid, 30, Nail Forger, Halesowen
Ambros James , Son, 9, Rowley Regis
Maryann James, Dau, 2, Rowley Regis
Charlotte Westwood, Servant.Wid, 75, Housekeeper, Rowley Regis

1861 Census on BCC

1871 Census on BCC

1881 Census on BCC

1891 Census: 36 Legge Street (Gun Barrel Works, Birmingham, Warks
John James, Head.Mar, 71, Gun Barrel Works Foreman, Cakemore
Louisa James, Wife, 71, Darby End
Jane Cornwell, Grand Dau.S, 17, Metal Button Roller, Sheffield, Yorks

This looks like John's father Horatio already on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=362945

[Northern Lass]

will add in marriages and connect up

Cakemore if you post census just transcribe it you won't be able to upload the info.

and we have the marriage indexes I was after the full marriage info

so what are you looking for cakemore?

[Northern Lass]

the marriage date for Horatio james is 20 april not 24.

[Northern Lass]

Added in some more on this to bcc

cakemore do you need any more help with this?

and would you like your username added in notes on Bcc to John james.

if you are done with this thread I will move to archive.

[peterd]

here

JAMES John GUEST Louisa 1851 Oldbury, Christ Church West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 12/1/289

[Northern Lass]

here

JAMES John GUEST Louisa 1851 Oldbury, Christ Church West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 12/1/289

marriage added in on Bcc. courtesy of RF and is also on free reg as Barb posted prev.


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