"Complete"Walter J. Pleass

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Can anyone find Walter J. Pleass before marriage and in 1891
PLEASS Walter J EDWARDS Charlotte J Quarry Bank, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 016/002/86 1882
Only one I have found is born Oldbury c.1860 and he married and was in Cardiff in 1901,1911

1891 Census 55 Simms Lane Dudley Worcs.
Samuel Edwards Head 64 Furnace Man born Dudley Worcs.
Eliza Edwards wife 54 Laundress born Stratford Warks.
Charlotte Pleass dau (m) 31 born Netherton Worcs.
Ernest Edwards grd.son 9
Jennie Edwards grd.dau 7
Joseph Pleass grd.son 1
Rest born Dudley Worcs.

1901 Census Simms Lane Dudley Worcs.
Samuel Edwards Head 75 (wid)
Charlotte Pleass dau (wid) 42 Laundress
Ernest Edwards grd.son 9
John E. Edwards son 19 Stoker @ Iron Works
Joseph Edwards grd.son 11
All born Dudley Worcs.

Charlotte went on to marry a John Gwinnell ( Widower) Dudley Reg. Office 1902

1911 Census 37 Hill Netherton Dudley Worcs.
John Guinell Head 50 Miner born Rotherham Yorks.
Charlotte Guinell wife 51 born Darby Hand Worcs.
Joseph Guinell son 17 Miner
Alice Guinell dau 15 Dressmakers Apprentice
Laura Guinell dau 13 School
Fred Guinell so 10 School
Rest born Netherton Worcs.

John Gwinnell was actually born Netherton Worcs. and was previously married to a Margaret Sankey

Can connect to others on bcc but need to sort this first

[grangers14]

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1861. New Street, Oldbury
John Pleass, head, 32, Labourer, Bristol
Lucy, wife, 26, Birmingham
Walter, son, 9 months, Oldbury

[grangers14]

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1871. West Street, Warwick
Lucy Pleass, wife, Mar, 36, Birmingham
Walter John, son, 10,
Fanny, daur, 8,
Alfred, son, 6, Openshaw, Manchester
Mary Agness, daur, 1 week, Warwick
All others born Olbury

Transcribed and looks like Pleap
1881. High Road, Kingswinford
John Pleap, head, 53, Carpenter, Somerset
Lucy, wife, 46, Birmingham
Walter, son, 20, Oldbury
Fanny, daur, 18, Oldbury
Alfred, son, 16, Manchester
Agnes, daur, 10 Warwick
/Richard Hawkins, lodger, 30, Birmingham

[Jimmy]

Snap Jo,
Marriages Jun 1854.
Bayliss John. W Bromwich. 6b. 749.
Hawkins Lucy. West Bromwich. 6b. 749.
PARKES Mary. W Bromwich. 6b. 749.
Pleass John. West Bromwich. 6b. 749.

[grangers14]

I think may be they split up and both remarried?
Jo

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John Walter Pleass married Margaret Jane Jones 1885 Cardiff
and is on Census later as Walter or Walter J. or John born Oldbury Worcs. with Margaret and children

Divorce was not possible so marriage if right one is bigamous

I will post marriage to Charlotte

[grangers14]

They could re marry if they presume spouse had died after 7 years. Some didnt even wait that long...

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Legal way to divorce was through private members bill in parliament . Very expensive and only nobility could afford .
M.P.,s used to make quite a killing until a scandal similar to Expenses Scandal of today.
Nothing changes they are still all crooks !!!

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Marriage looked up by RF
24 Sep 1882 Christ Church Quarry Bank
Walter John PLEASS 22 B Joiner Nether End Father William John Pleass Joiner
Charlotte Jesse Edwards 23 S Netherton Father Samuel Edwards Furnace Man
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Thomas Edwards / Fanny Pleass

It looks like you are right Jo
Father seems to drop first name as well and Carpenter and Joiner are same
Also sister Fanny is witness

So Walter John Pleass married Charlotte Pleass and then Married Margaret Jane Owen in Cardiff in 1885 whilst Charlotte still living

Thanks to RF