*Archive?* Jo sorting...Query on the Plants

[Dennis]

There is a link between the earlier Lavenders and a branch of the Plants on BCC:

Nancy Ann Lavender 26 Oct 1777 Old Swinford, Worcestershire -16 July 1835 Tipton, Staffordshire married a James Plant on 28 Jan 1796 at Kingswinford, Staffordshire.
I have him as James Plant 20 Feb 1774 Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, son of John Plant and Elizabeth Parry, grandson of James Plant and Sarah Williams, great grandson of John Plant 1700-1777 and Margaret Shaw c. 1702-1769.
But there may have been been a mix-up somewhere along the way between James Plant b. Tipton 1803 who married Sarah Jewkes 1808-1843 in 1825 St Thomas', son of James Plant and Nancy Ann Lavender on the one hand, and James the son of another James Plant and Nancy (I think Nancy Robinson) marr. 26 Dec 1793 St Thomas' on the other.
I don't have a ready solution. What do you think?

[Northern Lass]

I have split this to debate it

So we have this James Plant b 1803 here
looks like he married twice?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =606899277

need 1st marriage pls someone

and is this 2nd
11 Sept 1843 St Mary Kingswinford
-James Plant- full age- widower- moulder- Pennsnett- James Plant- collier
-Sarah Davis full age- widower- Pennsnett- John Wardley miner
banns
X both
Wit- Joseph Bayliss/ X Sarah Bayliss

Then we have the James Plant married to Nancy Lavender here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =617622558

So which couple does our James b 1803 belong to?

[Dennis]

I have the James Plant who married Sarah Wardley's first marriage, Jan:

Descendants of James Plant

Generation No. 1

1. JAMES6 PLANT (JAMES5, JOHN4, JAMES3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 02 Oct 1803 in Tipton, Staffordshire, and died Abt. 1852. He married (1) SARAH JEWKES 28 Feb 1825 in St Thomas' church, Dudley, Worcestershire. She was born 1808 in Worcestershire, and died 05 Apr 1843 in Church Street, Dudley, Worcestershire. He married (2) SARAH WARDLEY 11 Sep 1843 in St Mary's church, Kingswinford, daughter of JOHN WARDLEY.

Children of JAMES PLANT and SARAH JEWKES are:
2. i. DANIEL7 PLANT, b. 03 Jun 1827, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. Abt. Sep 1903, Dudley, Worcestershire.
ii. NANCY PLANT, b. Abt. 1835, Dudley, Worcestershire.
iii. JAMES PLANT, b. Abt. 29 Mar 1835, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. Abt. 1835.
iv. JAMES PLANT, b. Abt. 1836, Dudley, Worcestershire.
v. WILLIAM PLANT, b. 24 Mar 1839, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. 01 Apr 1840.


Generation No. 2

2. DANIEL7 PLANT (JAMES6, JAMES5, JOHN4, JAMES3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 03 Jun 1827 in Dudley, Worcestershire, and died Abt. Sep 1903 in Dudley, Worcestershire. He married ANN ROUND 04 Oct 1846 in St Thomas' church, Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of EDWARD ROUND and MARY CAPEWELL. She was born Abt. 1826 in Dudley, Worcestershire.

I think it's this James Plant, above, who is the son of James Plant and Nancy Ann Lavender, and not the James Plant who was son of this couple below:

Descendants of James Plant

Generation No. 1

1. JAMES6 PLANT (JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, BENJAMIN2, BENJAMIN1) was born Abt. 15 Feb 1767 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married NANCY ROBINSON 26 Dec 1793 in St Thomas's church, Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of WILLIAM ROBINSON and ANN. She was born Abt. 13 Jun 1773 in Dudley, Worcestershire.

But I'm a bit confused and may be wrong. Help!

[Northern Lass]

Have you got the 1st marriage for James that marries Sarah Wardley ...who are wits

and on 2nd who are wits there?

why do you think it is other way round?

and do you have a dob and bapt for the other James that you say is son to James and Nancy robinson so we can add him

we can switch round with a note

[Northern Lass]

So you think that James Plant b Tipton 1803 here...

JAMES PLANT
Birth: 16 SEP 1803 Christening: 02 OCT 1803 Tipton, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: JAMES PLANT
Mother: ANN Extracted birth

is son of this couple
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

and is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =199067825

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and that the other one here..
JAMES PLANT Christening: 08 MAY 1803 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Death: 04 APR 1805 -------------------------------this could be wrong by the way.....
Parents:
Father: JAMES PLANT
Mother: ANN Extracted

is the son of James Plant and Nancy Robinson here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =199067825


is that correct?

note on Bcc that Nancy Lavender dies Tipton....which would fit with the James place of bapt that marries Sarah Jewkes

[Northern Lass]

If that James belongs to the other James and Nancy Lavender surely all the kids do too
as all bapt tipton

over to you on this one Dennis .....

[Dennis]

I agree, NL, the Tipton baptisms rather point that way!

[Northern Lass]

I agree, NL, the Tipton baptisms rather point that way!

So do you think we move all those kids to the other couple?

are they the only James Plant and Nancy/ ann having kids?

can we sort out which kids the other couple should have?

[grangers14]

??
1861. St James's Terrace, Dudley
Thomas Porter, head, 46, Nail Maker, Belper
Sarah, wife, 46, Laundress
Ann Davies, daur in law, 19, Nail Maker
Sarah Plant, daur in law, 15,
Alice Plant, daur in law, 9
All others born Dudley

[grangers14]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
PORTER Thomas PLANT Sarah Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/002/218

[Dennis]

Just got back to this, Jan. Yes, what a nightmare - I wish I'd never noticed! It's a real pain moving those kids across, but it does seem to be the right couple, Tipton etc. But how do we distinguish between the children of the two couples? Any ideas on how to proceed from here?

[grangers14]

:?

??
1861. St James's Terrace, Dudley
Thomas Porter, head, 46, Nail Maker, Belper
Sarah, wife, 46, Laundress
Ann Davies, daur in law, 19, Nail Maker
Sarah Plant, daur in law, 15,
Alice Plant, daur in law, 9
All others born Dudley

??
1841. Salop Street, Dudley
William Davies, 60, Lab
Mary, 60,
Eliza, 15,
Ann, 2 months
All born in County

1851. Salop Street, Dudley
William Davis, head, 72, Slate and Iron miner, Coal Brook Dale, Salop
Mary, wife, 72, Slaits Green, Staffordshire
Ann, grand daur, 10,
Maria Siviter, lodger, 22,
others born Dudley

[grangers14]

groom's name: William Lavender Plant
bride's name: Ruth Maria Jones

marriage date: 1828
marriage place: St. Martin, Tipton, Stafford,

indexing project (batch) number: M16744-2 system origin: England-VR source film number:1526189

[Dennis]

This the raw data on baptisms on the IGI:

[Elizabeth Plant "“ d. 1814 ? - no record found]
James Plant 29 May 1796 St Thomas Dudley, death date: 10 Aug 1796, parents: James Plant, Nancy
Mary Plant 4 Jun 1797 St Thomas Dudley parents: James Plant, Ann
James Plant 8 May 1803 St Thomas Dudley, death date: 4 Apr 1805, parents: James Plant, Ann
Thomas Plant 13 Jan 1805 St Thomas Dudley, death date: 15 Jul 1810, parents: James Plant, Nancy
Betsey Plant 23 Nov 1806 Tipton Stafford, parents: James Plant, Nancy
Mary Plant 29 May 1808 Tipton Stafford, parents: James Plant, Nancy
William Plant 3 Mar 1811 St Thomas Dudley, parents: James Plant, Nancy
Elias Plant 22 Sept 1811 Tipton, Stafford, parents: James Plant, Ann
Ann Plant 11 Oct 1812 St Thomas Dudley, parents: James Plant, Nancy
[James Plant b. abt. 1812 - no record found]
Thomas Plant 29 May 1814 Dudley, Worcester, parents: James Plant, Nancy Plant
Harriot Plant 5 May 1816 St Thomas Dudley, parents: James Plant, Nancy
John Plant 22 Apr 1821 Dudley, Worcester, parents: James Plant, Nancy Plant
Eliza Plant 24 Jun 1821 Dudley, Worcester, parents: James Plant, Ann Plant
John Plant 24 Jun 1821 Dudley, Worcester, parents: James Plant, Ann Plant

I wonder if the Ann / Nancy difference is to be trusted?

[Dennis]

To those baptisms add:

Noah Plant 10 Apr 1799 St Thomas Dudley, parents: James Plant, Nancy
Sarah Plant 22 Feb 1807 St Thomas Dudley, parents: James Plant, Ann
Joseph Plant 5 Mar 1809 Dudley, Worcester, parents: James Plant, Ann
Ann Plant 11 Oct 1812 St Thomas Dudley, Worcester, parents: James Plant, Nancy