Is there enough here ?

[stormswift]

Here are 3 certs that I have

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The top one is a birth cert for my grandfather, William Tipping. His father and mother are, as you can see, John Henry and Ada Elizabeth Powell. With this info I found and ordered their marriage cert. This is in the centre. This now gives me ages and fathers names. Ada's info is as far as I can determine pretty much correct. I have her death cert from 1961 giving her age at death as 76. This tallys with the marriage cert for a birth in 1885. Problem lies with John Henry.
The last cert is the birth I ordered for John Henry.
Concerning him:
I know from my grandfathers, William, marriage cert that John Henry is deceased by 1/10/1932

Death:
John H. TIPPING - age 51 - 6d 382 Birmingham N. Sep 1930 qtr
The 1911 Census index has John H. TIPPING born in Birmingham, Warwickshire
The only birth record which corresponds with this information is:
John Henry TIPPING - 6d 3 Birmingham Sep 1879 qt That is the last cert in the pic.

Could anyone please advise if you think that there is enough here to reasonably say I have the right person, and so be able to continue the search back from him?

[Maths girl]

This 1881 census is the John Henry that is the birth certificate belongs to

1881 4, Court 14 Brierley Street, Birmingham
WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 60 1821 Metal Worker (White) Kington Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Sophia Wife Married F 53 1828 Housewife Hereford Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Emily Daughter Single F 19 1862 Kington Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Harriett Daughter Single F 17 1864 Military Ornament Maker Kington Herefordshire
TIPPING, John Grand Son Single M 1 1880 Bham Warwickshire

[Maths girl]

This follows him through to1891

1891 6 House 38 Court, Farm Street, Birmingham
TIPPING, Joseph Head Married M 41 1850 Labourer Upton on Severn Worcestershire
TIPPING, Mary A Wife Married F 32 1859 Hereford
TIPPING, John Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar Birmingham
TIPPING, Joseph Son Single M 10 1881 Scholar Birmingham
TIPPING, Waller Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar Birmingham
TIPPING, Willie Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar Birmingham
TIPPING, Sophia Daughter Single F 1 (14M) 1890 Birmingham
WILLIAMS, Sophia Mother In Law Widow F 64 1827 Hereford

[Maths girl]

and

1901 52, Back New Street, Aston Manor
TIPPING, Joseph Head Married M 51 1850 General Porter Worcestershire
TIPPING, Mary Wife Married F 44 1857 Herefordshire
TIPPING, John Son Single M 23 1878 Brass Filer Birmm
TIPPING, Joseph Son Single M 20 1881 Scale Filer Birmm
TIPPING, Walter Son Single M 17 1884 Milk Driver Birmm
TIPPING, William Son M 15 1886 Brass Filer Birmm
TIPPING, Sophia Daughter F 11 1890 Birmm
TIPPING, Lizzie Daughter F 9 1892 Birmm

[Maths girl]

John gone!

1911 6 Maidstone Road Handsworth
TIPPING, Joseph Head Married M 63 1848 Stableman Worcestershire Upton
TIPPING, Mary Ann Wife Married 33 years F 54 1857 Herefordshire Kington (7 children 6 living)
TIPPING, Walter Son Single M 28 1883 Cycle Spring Fitter Warwickshire Aston
TIPPING, William Son Single M 25 1886 Brass Dresser Warwickshire Birmingham
TIPPING, Sophia Daughter Single F 21 1890 Gold Furnisher Warwickshire Birmingham
TIPPING, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1892 Solderer Warwickshire Birmingham

[stormswift]

This 1881 census is the John Henry that is the birth certificate belongs to

1881 4, Court 14 Brierley Street, Birmingham
WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 60 1821 Metal Worker (White) Kington Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Sophia Wife Married F 53 1828 Housewife Hereford Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Emily Daughter Single F 19 1862 Kington Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Harriett Daughter Single F 17 1864 Military Ornament Maker Kington Herefordshire
TIPPING, John Grand Son Single M 1 1880 Bham Warwickshire

You will also find an entry in 1881 for the joseph and mary ann you have in subsequent census that also has infant john henry. He appears to be listed twice in 1881. Once with his parents and once with his grandparents

[stormswift]

John gone!

1911 6 Maidstone Road Handsworth
TIPPING, Joseph Head Married M 63 1848 Stableman Worcestershire Upton
TIPPING, Mary Ann Wife Married 33 years F 54 1857 Herefordshire Kington (7 children 6 living)
TIPPING, Walter Son Single M 28 1883 Cycle Spring Fitter Warwickshire Aston
TIPPING, William Son Single M 25 1886 Brass Dresser Warwickshire Birmingham
TIPPING, Sophia Daughter Single F 21 1890 Gold Furnisher Warwickshire Birmingham
TIPPING, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1892 Solderer Warwickshire Birmingham

If you check the middle cert John is married by 1911 to ada elizabeth powell.

[Maths girl]

John gone!

1911 6 Maidstone Road Handsworth
TIPPING, Joseph Head Married M 63 1848 Stableman Worcestershire Upton
TIPPING, Mary Ann Wife Married 33 years F 54 1857 Herefordshire Kington (7 children 6 living)
TIPPING, Walter Son Single M 28 1883 Cycle Spring Fitter Warwickshire Aston
TIPPING, William Son Single M 25 1886 Brass Dresser Warwickshire Birmingham
TIPPING, Sophia Daughter Single F 21 1890 Gold Furnisher Warwickshire Birmingham
TIPPING, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1892 Solderer Warwickshire Birmingham

If you check the middle cert John is married by 1911 to ada elizabeth powell.

This wsa my point that John for this family had "left home" by 1911 which adds evidence to him being the one in the marriage certificate

[Maths girl]

This 1881 census is the John Henry that is the birth certificate belongs to

1881 4, Court 14 Brierley Street, Birmingham
WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 60 1821 Metal Worker (White) Kington Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Sophia Wife Married F 53 1828 Housewife Hereford Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Emily Daughter Single F 19 1862 Kington Herefordshire
WILLIAMS, Harriett Daughter Single F 17 1864 Military Ornament Maker Kington Herefordshire
TIPPING, John Grand Son Single M 1 1880 Bham Warwickshire

You will also find an entry in 1881 for the joseph and mary ann you have in subsequent census that also has infant john henry. He appears to be listed twice in 1881. Once with his parents and once with his grandparents

Yes I found this too

1881 3, Court No 13 Lower Essex St, Birmingham
TIPPING, Joseph Head Married M 31 1850 Grocers Assistant Upton on Severn Herefordshire
TIPPING, Mary Ann Wife Married F 23 1858 Birmingham Warwickshire
TIPPING, John Son Single M 1 1880 Birmingham Warwickshire
TIPPING, ? Son Single M 0 1881 Birmingham Warwickshire

Presumably the unkown baby is Joseph who had not been registered by then being under 1 month and grandparents were helping out -- perhaps at short notice and hence the confusion as to where to enumerate JOhn

[Maths girl]

Is there enough here? -- I think so yes but it is your tree and you have to make the final decision on it

[stormswift]

Thank you for posting the census returns. I have been over these so many times trying to find a way to link it to my marriage cert. From looking at his entry in 1911 his birth is given as birmingham. I know he dies before 1932 according to a grandfathers marriage cert. I also have him in the birmingham electoral roll for 1930 yet gone in the next.
This leads me to the death index above. As I mentioned the only birth cert that matches is the one I have now acquired. I feel that I have the right person/certificate, but do I have enough in black and white to be able to add him within my family? Especially as his birth and marriage certs don't seem to match too well