Missing Marriage - Samuel Hall to Jane Becks!

[Fatman]

Following on from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6807

I have now ordered their child, Fredericks birth certificate from 1868 and it states parents as Samuel Hall and Jane Hall formerly Becks

1) Is Becks a misspelling and it should be Betts as suggested in my previous thread?
2) If so, then the marriage was in 1872, but the birth was in 1868 so how could she be Jane Hall?
3) If it really is Becks, then where is the marriage? Ive checked the normal sources

I do have an address, does anyone have electoral roll, it looks like Brazehouse Lane Smethwick (maybe Brasshouse Lane after googling)

This is the one this thats bugging the hell out of me!

[Antie Em]

Following on from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6807

I have now ordered their child, Fredericks birth certificate from 1868 and it states parents as Samuel Hall and Jane Hall formerly Becks

1) Is Becks a misspelling and it should be Betts as suggested in my previous thread?
2) If so, then the marriage was in 1872, but the birth was in 1868 so how could she be Jane Hall?
3) If it really is Becks, then where is the marriage? Ive checked the normal sources

I do have an address, does anyone have electoral roll, it looks like Brazehouse Lane Smethwick (maybe Brasshouse Lane after googling)

This is the one this thats bugging the hell out of me!

I'm hopefully looking at the Electoral Roll at Smethwick Archives this week - what date are you looking for ?

[Northern Lass]

Do you have the birth details you can post on here we can add them to BCC

Becks and Betts
prob misheard

[Fatman]

Full Details:

b 25 March 1868 Frederick Hall
Father: Samuel Hall
Mother: Jane Hall formerly Becks
Fathers Occupation: Engine smith
Signed by Jane Hall, mother Brasshouse Lane Smethwick on 28th April 1868

Would be great if you could Antie Em!

[Northern Lass]

The Jane Hall bit is the name she has now
ie she married Samuel Hall

so Jane Betts mispronounced as Becks or mis heard
marries Samuel Hall........uncle
and so she is Jane Hall formerly Betts

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =889309297

that is the way it is on the Birth certifs you get

[Fatman]

But the marriage was 1872 and the birth was 1868....

[Northern Lass]

Full Details:

b 25 March 1868 Frederick Hall
Father: Samuel Hall
Mother: Jane Hall formerly Becks
Fathers Occupation: Engine smith
Signed by Jane Hall, mother Brasshouse Lane Smethwick on 28th April 1868

Would be great if you could Antie Em!

thanks for that will add that

they called themselves what ever surname they wanted
and as long as they had fathers permission to add the name to certif
who is to know they are not at that time prior to marriage mr and mrs Hall

[Jimmy]

Will this fit.
Samuel Hall.
Groom's Birth Date 1827.
Groom's Age 45.
Bride's Name Jane Betts.
Bride's Birth Date 1832.
Bride's Age 40.
Marriage Date 21 Jul 1872.
Marriage Place Rowley Regis, Stafford.
Groom's Father's Name Joseph Hall.
Bride's Father's Name James Betts.

[Northern Lass]

That marriage in 1872 RF looked up and on bcc
and they are living together as man and wife here....

1861
Samuel Hall 44
Jane Hall 31
Samuel Hall 19
Sarah Ann Hall 13
Emma Hall 7
Joseph Hall 4
James Hall 1
Mary Jane Stibbe 13 - Dom serv

1871
Roe Buck Street, West Bromwich
Samuel Hall 50 - Fitter
Jane Hall 40
Joseph Hall 14 - Forge man
James Hall 12 - Works in a forge
William Hall 8
Frederick Hall 3
George Hall 8
Ada Hall 8 Months
Emma Hall 17
all b West Bromwich

[Antie Em]

Full Details:

b 25 March 1868 Frederick Hall
Father: Samuel Hall
Mother: Jane Hall formerly Becks
Fathers Occupation: Engine smith
Signed by Jane Hall, mother Brasshouse Lane Smethwick on 28th April 1868

Would be great if you could Antie Em!

Don't think they have electoral rolls that early - but I'll check

[Fatman]

Ok then, i guess thats it then!
Thanks Antie Em and yes Jimmy, thats the one that i think ill have to concede that it is!

[Northern Lass]

Does it say where he is born on that birth certif pls fatman?

[Northern Lass]

not sure if Emma is dau of Letitia

1855
HALL Emma West Bromwich North East Sandwell Register Office WBNE/22/431

perhaps Letitia dies in childbirht

are the qtrs the same?

[Jimmy]

Was Lettitia Betts and Jane sisters.

[Fatman]

Jimmy - we think Jane was Letitias neice.

NL - b Brasshouse Lane