A poorhouse and missing father!

[Fatman]

In the 1851 census, Elizabeth Cupit (b ~1812 Leicestershire, England) and her 4 children are listed at Bingham Union Poorhouse as Paupers.

Her eldest son Thomas (b 1842 Bingham, Notts) , goes on to marry Elizabeth Nichols as shown on the 1871 census.

I cant find any of the family on the 1861 census at all, nor Elizabeth on the 1841 census before the kids are born.

And where would their father have been? I presume dead?

Are there any other ways I could check this up?

[Maths girl]

1851 Bingham Union Poor House
CUPIT, Elizabeth Pauper Widow F 39 1812 Pauper Leicester Leicestershire
CUPIT, Thomas Pauper M 9 1842 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, John Pauper M 4 1847 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Elizabeth Pauper F 4 1847 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Joseph Pauper M 2mths Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire

[Maths girl]

1851 Bingham Union Poor House
CUPIT, Elizabeth Pauper Widow F 39 1812 Pauper Leicester Leicestershire
CUPIT, Thomas Pauper M 9 1842 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, John Pauper M 4 1847 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Elizabeth Pauper F 4 1847 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Joseph Pauper M 2mths Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire

You could more info on father from birth certificate of Joseph or indeed any of the others.

[Fatman]

thanks maths girkl - there wasnt widow listed at my source - that helps!

[Maths girl]

1851 Bingham Union Poor House
CUPIT, Elizabeth Pauper Widow F 39 1812 Pauper Leicester Leicestershire
CUPIT, Thomas Pauper M 9 1842 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, John Pauper M 4 1847 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Elizabeth Pauper F 4 1847 Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Joseph Pauper M 2mths Pauper Bingham Nottinghamshire

Possible marriage
William Brethwait 1841 Bingham Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
William Cupit 1841 Bingham Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
Sarah Foster 1841 Bingham Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
Thomas Holmes 1841 Bingham Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Palmer 1841 Bingham Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Smith 1841 Bingham Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire

But which Elizabeth??

[Fatman]

Indeed! which one - strange though cant find them on an earlier census!

[Jimmy]

I wonder if those ages are right in the workhouse in 1851, 3 names from the workhouse.

1861. Victoria Building, Mansfield.
Charles Percival 24. Stone mason.
Elizabeth Percival 25.
George E Percival 5.
Mary A Percival 3.
Charles J Percival 1.
Elizabeth Cupit 65. Mother in law. Normanton On Trent.
John Cupit 23. Brother-in-law. Shoemaker.

1871. Taylor Lane, Mansfield.
Charles George Percival 35. Mason.
Elizth Percival 35. Mansfield.
George Edward Percival 15.
Mary Augusta Percival 13.
Charles James Percival 11.
Walter Percival 7.
Herbert Percival 4.
Edith Ellen Percival 4 months.
John Cupit 33. Brother in law. Cordwainer. Mansfield.

Marriages Mar 1855.
CUPIT Elizabeth. Mansfield. 7b. 80.
Haslam Eliza Ann. Mansfield. 7b. 80.
MOORE John. Mansfield. 7b. 80.
Percival Charles George. Mansfield 7b. 80.

[Maths girl]

Indeed! which one - strange though cant find them on an earlier census!

The marriage was in 3rd quarter of 1841 so they wouldn't appear together in 1841 census -- then he was dead by 1851 so she could have married again by 1861 and changed the children's names for that census.

[Maths girl]

I wonder if those ages are right in the workhouse in 1851, 3 names from the workhouse.

1861. Victoria Building, Mansfield.
Charles Percival 24. Stone mason.
Elizabeth Percival 25.
George E Percival 5.
Mary A Percival 3.
Charles J Percival 1.
Elizabeth Cupit 65. Mother in law. Normanton On Trent.
John Cupit 23. Brother-in-law. Shoemaker.

1871. Taylor Lane, Mansfield.
Charles George Percival 35. Mason.
Elizth Percival 35. Mansfield.
George Edward Percival 15.
Mary Augusta Percival 13.
Charles James Percival 11.
Walter Percival 7.
Herbert Percival 4.
Edith Ellen Percival 4 months.
John Cupit 33. Brother in law. Cordwainer. Mansfield.

I think these are the ones Jimmy found

1841 Back Lane, East, Mansfield
CUPIT, Edmund M 36 1805 Nottinghamshire Miller
CUPIT, Elizabeth F 42 1799 Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, John M 3 1838 Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Ann F 14 1827 Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Elizabeth F 6 1835 Nottinghamshire
WHITE, Georg M 18 1823 Nottinghamshire Miller
WHITE, Jane F 16 1825 Nottinghamshire
WHITE, Mary F 11 1830 Nottinghamshire

1851 Leeming Street, Mansfield
CUPIT, Elizabeth Head Married F 57 1794 Millers Wife Nnormanton on Trent Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
CUPIT, John Son M 13 1838 Scholar Mansfield Nottinghamshire

[Fatman]

Hmmm - the childrens births are listed as Chesterfield in FreeBMD.

Deaths ~ 1850 Chesterfield, lists a Benjamin and there is a marriage between a Benjamin Cupit and Mary also registered in Chesterfield....
Theres also a John death, and a John marriage listed in Chesterfield....

Think Its prob between those 2 but might need to order the cert to be sure!

[dianel]

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Joseph Cupit
Name: Joseph Cupit
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bingham
County: Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire

[dianel]

International Genealogical Index
THOMAS CUPITT
Christening: 28 NOV 1841 Bingham, Nottingham, England
Father: WILLIAM CUPITT
Mother: ELIZABETH

International Genealogical Index
Elizabeth <Cupitt> -
Christening: 12 MAR 1848 Bingham, Nottingham, England
Mother: Elizabeth Cupitt

[Fatman]

Yep! Got the cert today - this can be archived!