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FarSide wrote:may already have this
1861
Gaunts yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 28 - Sawyer
John Withers 64 - Labourer formerly journeyman
Ann Withers 62
Sarah Jan Hodgkins 6 - cousin?
James Griffin 14 - Sert? - Carter
all b Halesowen



can you find 1851 and 1841 fs please
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1851 Gaunts Fold, High Street, Halesowen
WITHERS, John Head Married M 54 1797 Sawyer Rowley Staffordshire
WITHERS, Ann Wife Married F 54 1797 Hales Owen Worcestershire
WITHERS, Charles Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Sawyer Lye Worcestershire
WITHERS, Marianne Daughter F 14 1837 Nailer Lye Worcestershire

1841 Gaunt's Fold, Halesowen
WITHERS, John M 40 1801 Shropshire Sawyer
WITHERS, Ann F 40 1801 Shropshire
WITHERS, Richard M 15 1826 Shropshire
WITHERS, Edward M 10 1831 Shropshire
WITHERS, Charles M 8 1833 Shropshire
WITHERS, Mary Ann F 5 1836 Shropshire
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grangers14 wrote:This is odd? Is it the same person but added twice??
1881 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Elizabeth, Randle, head, W, 59
Benjamin, son, 34, Labourer in iron Works
Eliza, daur, 23, Naile maker
George, son, 18, Nail Maker, Deaf and Dumb
Martha Withers, Visitor, 17, Dress Maker
All born Halesowen


And,

1841 Gaunt's Fold, Halesowen

WITHERS, John M 40 1801 Shropshire Sawyer
WITHERS, Ann F 40 1801 Shropshire
WITHERS, Richard M 15 1826 Shropshire
WITHERS, Edward M 10 1831 Shropshire
WITHERS, Charles M 8 1833 Shropshire
WITHERS, Mary Ann F 5 1836 Shropshire



1851 Gaunts Fold, High Street, Halesowen

WITHERS, John Head Married M 54 1797 Sawyer Rowley Staffordshire
WITHERS, Ann Wife Married F 54 1797 Hales Owen Worcestershire
WITHERS, Charles Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Sawyer Lye Worcestershire
WITHERS, Marianne Daughter F 14 1837 Nailer Lye Worcestershire



1861 Gaunts yard, Halesowen

Charles Withers 28 - Sawyer
John Withers 64 - Labourer formerly journeyman
Ann Withers 62
Sarah Jan Hodgkins 6 - cousin?
James Griffin 14 - Sert? - Carter
all b Halesowen



1871 High Street, Gaunts Yard, Halesowen

Charles Withers 38 - Sawyer
Eliza Withers 38
Martha Withers 7
Bertha Withers 6
Ann Withers 5
Harriet Withers 2
Elizabeth Withers 1
John Withers 74 - Father - Widow
all b Halesowen


1881 New Street, British Arms, Hasbury

Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen



right if martha withers and elizabeth randle are the same people in the census ?

is elizabeth randle (nee withers ) eliza sister in law (wife of charles) as stated on the 1881 census

if so then can anyone find a christenng for elizabeth withers parents john and ann c 1820/21

can any one find elizabeth in 1841 census please

if this is them are they down as married as they didnt get married till 31/5/1841 ?

1841 Census
Sprin Hill, Halesowen
John Baker, 25, Nailor
Elizabeth, 25, Not born in County
Mary, 2,
/Isaac Randle, 20, Butcher, Not born in County
Elizabeth, 20,
All others born in County
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That Elizabeth Withers who married Isaac Randle has been disconnected from John Withers. We dont know that that family are hers.


:? So we need any possible census for John Withers and Elizabeth Bache?
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if this is them are they down as married as they didnt get married till 31/5/1841 ?

1841 Census
Sprin Hill, Halesowen
John Baker, 25, Nailor
Elizabeth, 25, Not born in County
Mary, 2,
/Isaac Randle, 20, Butcher, Not born in County
Elizabeth, 20,
All others born in County


The 1841 census doesnt show relationships and also the census was taken on 6th June 1841
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if so then can anyone find a christenng for elizabeth withers parents john and ann c 1820/21


I cant see one with a mother Ann in the right area just the ones with Mother as Elizabeth thats on the IGI
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I am so lost on this
so is Charles with the wrong parents?

what is wrong with that lot now? :shock:
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Halesowen
25 Nov 1821
Elizabeth, do of John & Elizabeth Withers, Dudley, Sawyer
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Any help
Halesowen
25 Aug 1824 Richard, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
5 Apr 1825 Henry, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
29 Apr 1824 Edward, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
2 Jan 1831 William, so of John & Ann Withers, The Borough, Sawyer
28 Jul 1833 Charles, so of John & Ann Withers, Lye, Sawyer
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FarSide wrote:Any help
Halesowen
25 Aug 1824 Richard, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
5 Apr 1825 Henry, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
29 Apr 1824 Edward, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
2 Jan 1831 William, so of John & Ann Withers, The Borough, Sawyer
28 Jul 1833 Charles, so of John & Ann Withers, Lye, Sawyer



1871 High Street, Gaunts Yard, Halesowen

Charles Withers 38 - Sawyer
Eliza Withers 38
Martha Withers 7
Bertha Withers 6
Ann Withers 5
Harriet Withers 2
Elizabeth Withers 1
John Withers 74 - Father - Widow
all b Halesowen


1881 New Street, British Arms, Hasbury

Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen



this is the right family
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poss marriage

CHARLES WITHERS
ELIZA TILSLEY
Marriage: 17 MAY 1863 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
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we have the family on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =742117347
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right think ive solved it and we were right the first time and the 1881 census is wrong she is not eliza sister in law but charles eliza husband, Aunty


here elizabeth born c1821 parents john and elizabeth (nee Bach) and her brother john who married Ann Moore the are the parents of charles who married eliza ( nee tinsley) who in 1881 census elizabeth is visiting

1881 New Street, British Arms, Hasbury

Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59 Should be Aunt to eliza dead husband
All born Halesowen


:grin: :grin:



so john and elizabeth

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =467033182



and charles and eliza tinsley


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =675955562


will reconnect isaac randle to elizabeth



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Ok so if Charles is the son of John and Ann and Eliza is sis in law of Elizabeth RAndle
then Charles and Elizabeth should be sibs
but they arent
Elizabeth dau of John and Elizabeth is the aunt of Charles who married Eliza

so do we connect up Elizabeth to JOhn and Elizabeth Bache again

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Go on then PD connect us up again
my head is spinning

good to debate it though

we need to add any bapts on this
who is going to offer that with the info esp on Elizabeth father Sawyer on bapt
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