*Arc * --Isaac Randle -

[grangers14]

This could do with some information adding. Just the Randle family as Withers family is running on another thread.
Isaac Randle and Elizabeth Withers Marriage
31 May 1841
St Thomas Dudley
Isaac Randle- of full age- bach- Butcher- Dudley Wood Parish of Dudley- Benjamin Randle- deceased- labourer
Elizabeth Withers- of full age- spinster- Dudley Wood- John Withers- Sawyer
banns
X both
wit - X John Baker / X Elizabeth Baker

Here on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =149048386

[grangers14]

With the witnesses to Marriage?

1841 Census
Sprin Hill, Halesowen
John Baker, 25, Nailor
Elizabeth, 25, Not born in County
Mary, 2,
/Isaac Randle, 20, Butcher, Not born in County
Elizabeth, 20,
All others born in County

Change of Occupation??
1851 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury,
Isaac, head, 32, Pit Labourer, Harbourn
Elizabeth, wife, 29,
Joseph, son, 8
Susan, daur, 6,
Benjamin, son, 4,
Mary Ann, daur, 5 months
All others born Halesowen

1861 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Isaac Randle, head, 42, Ag labourer, Smethwick
Elizabeth, wife, 39, Halesowen
Joseph, son, 18, Bricklayers Labourer,
Susan, daur, 16, Nailor,
Benjamin, son, 14, Nailor
Mary A, daur, 10, Nailor,
Hannah, daur, 8,
Charles, son, 5,
Eliza, daur, 3,
Harriet, daur, 9 months
All others born Hasbury

1871 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Isaac Randle, head, 52, Hay? Lab, Harbourne
Elizabeth, wife, 50, Halesowen
Benjamin, son, 24, Iron labourer,
Mary Ann, daur, 20, Nailer
Charles, son, 16,, Mine Labourer,
Eliza, daur, 13, nailer,
Hannah Hackett, Boarder, 18, Nailer
All others born Hasbury

[grangers14]

This is odd? Is it the same person but added twice??
1881 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Elizabeth, Randle, head, W, 59,
Benjamin, son, 34, Labourer in iron Works
Eliza, daur, 23, Naile maker
George, son, 18, Nail Maker, Deaf and Dumb
Martha Withers, Visitor, 17, Dress Maker
All born Halesowen


And,

1881 Census
New Street, British Arms, Hasbury
Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen

[grangers14]

Ive added census and children up to 1871.
I would like anothers view on the 1881 census please.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =657232204

[grangers14]

Extracted IGI Christening
ISAAC RANDALL
Christening: 04 APR 1819 Smethwick, Stafford,
Father: BENJAMIN RANDALL Mother: SUSANNA

Possible
Extracted IGI Marriage
BENJAMIN RANDLE and SUSANNA WILLIAMS
Marriage: 28 MAY 1817 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester

[linell]

We seem to have two spellings of Randle/Randall, I have some to add, not sure of which spelling to use

Linell.

[mallosa]

There's only 1 Randall Lin, If it were me I'd add to the other one

[linell]

Yea good thinking there San

Lin........

[peterd]

This is odd? Is it the same person but added twice??
1881 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Elizabeth, Randle, head, W, 59,
Benjamin, son, 34, Labourer in iron Works
Eliza, daur, 23, Naile maker
George, son, 18, Nail Maker, Deaf and Dumb
Martha Withers, Visitor, 17, Dress Maker
All born Halesowen


And,

1881 Census
New Street, British Arms, Hasbury
Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen

poss martha

MARTHA WITHERS
Christening: 20 JUN 1863 Halesowen, Worcester,


Father: CHARLES WITHERS
Mother: ELIZA

siblings

BERTHA WITHERS
Christening: 05 OCT 1864 Halesowen, Worcester,

ELIZABETH WITHERS
Christening: 12 JAN 1870 Halesowen, Worcester,

CHARLES WITHERS
Christening: 09 OCT 1872 Halesowen, Worcester,

ANN WITHERS
Christening: 31 OCT 1866 Halesowen, Worcester,

HARRIET WITHERS
Christening: 10 JUN 1868 Halesowen, Worcester,

ALICE WITHERS
Christening: 09 SEP 1874 Halesowen, Worcester,


looking at the second census i would say yes they are the same one poss enough time between the two census being taken, so that elizabeth had the time to travel between the two places

[peterd]

this is elizabeth brother charles

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =394854276

think the census maybe wrong for him as he married eliza and was dead by 1881 so charles and pheobe are in the wrong family ?

[peterd]

1881 Census
New Street, British Arms, Hasbury
Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen

can we find this family in earlier census please father poss charles

[FarSide]

1871
High Street, Gaunts Yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 38 - Sawyer
Eliza Withers 38
Martha Withers 7
Bertha Withers 6
Ann Withers 5
Harriet Withers 2
Elizabeth Withers 1
John Withers 74 - Father - Widow
all b Halesowen

[Northern Lass]

I have changed to Randle

[FarSide]

may already have this
1861
Gaunts yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 28 - Sawyer
John Withers 64 - Labourer formerly journeyman
Ann Withers 62
Sarah Jan Hodgkins 6 - cousin?
James Griffin 14 - Sert? - Carter
all b Halesowen

[peterd]

I have changed to Randle

not on about that

on about disconnecting charles and pheobe as i think charles is john son think its the one who married eliza and his sister visiting in 1881 when she a widow and john charles father living with him and eliza in the 1871 census

bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =394854276

1871
High Street, Gaunts Yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 38 - Sawyer
Eliza Withers 38
Martha Withers 7
Bertha Withers 6
Ann Withers 5
Harriet Withers 2
Elizabeth Withers 1
John Withers 74 - Father - Widow
all b Halesowen

may already have this
1861
Gaunts yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 28 - Sawyer
John Withers 64 - Labourer formerly journeyman
Ann Withers 62
Sarah Jan Hodgkins 6 - cousin?
James Griffin 14 - Sert? - Carter
all b Halesowen

somat not right need to look at this ?