UPDATE--Harris Chatwin connection

[kdw]

Just noticed Sarah has name changed to Basterfield to aid researching.
Have found this
BENJAMIN CHATWIN
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH BASTABLE
09 APR 1833 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Christening
23 July 1815 St Johns Halesowen
Sarah do John and Phoebe Bastable, Borough, Mason.

[Northern Lass]

Just noticed Sarah has name changed to Basterfield to aid researching.
Have found this
BENJAMIN CHATWIN
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH BASTABLE
09 APR 1833 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Christening
23 July 1815 St Johns Halesowen
Sarah do John and Phoebe Bastable, Borough, Mason.

well that wasnt correct so sorry bout that
I have changed it to Bastable

[Northern Lass]

Rite this is why she was Basterfield.....if these are her parents

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

they are down as Basterfield
for some reason

so we need to find out if that John and Phobe are her parents
looks promising bricklayer/mason for John
son Edward do we have a bapt for him too?

then we can link up Sarah to John and Pheobe

but what do we do with surnames
I remember we had this on Bastable and Basterfield before

Have we a marriage for John and Phebe Basterfield/Bastable/Bastaple

and then we can make a decision what to call this lot
they are basterfield on census ...but then the name on census is not always to be believed

[kdw]

St Johns Halesowen
Christenings for Basterfield with parents John and Phoebe
1 Apr 1821 John so John and Phoebe Basterfield , Borough, Shoemaker
10 Aug 1823 Edward so John and Phoebe Basterfield, Borough, Mason

Christenings for Bastable parents John and Phoebe
10 Jun 1810 Ann do John and Phoebe Bastable
29 Sept 1811 Fanny do John and Phoebe Bastable
3 Apr 1814 George so John and Phoebe Bastable , Borough , Mason
23 July 1815 Sarah do John and Phoebe Bastable , Borough, Mason

Burials
17 June 1810 Ann Bastable
27 Nov 1810 Ann Bastable Infant
17 March 1811 Ann Bastable Infant
12 June 1814 George Bastable , Borough, 3 Weeks

Cant see a marraige for John and Phoebe Halesowen

[mallosa]

Could this be it?
(Extracted)
Marriage: 07 JUN 1802 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick
JOHN BASKERFIELD
Spouse: PHEBE CRUMPTON

[Northern Lass]

Split this from other thread

[Northern Lass]

So do we have one John and Phoebe Bastable/Basterfield ..mason
or
one couple in halesowen...but surname changes

ok we have John and Phebe on 1841

1841 Stowerbridge Road, Halesowen
John Baskerfield 50 Bricklayer Y
Phebey Baskerfield 50
Edward Baskerfield 15

is there another John and Pheobe

and can we get a better idea of Johns dob on the 1851 census

[Northern Lass]

St Johns Halesowen
Christenings for Basterfield with parents John and Phoebe
1 Apr 1821 John so John and Phoebe Basterfield , Borough, Shoemaker
10 Aug 1823 Edward so John and Phoebe Basterfield, Borough, Mason

Christenings for Bastable parents John and Phoebe
10 Jun 1810 Ann do John and Phoebe Bastable
29 Sept 1811 Fanny do John and Phoebe Bastable
3 Apr 1814 George so John and Phoebe Bastable , Borough , Mason
23 July 1815 Sarah do John and Phoebe Bastable , Borough, Mason

Burials
17 June 1810 Ann Bastable
27 Nov 1810 Ann Bastable Infant
17 March 1811 Ann Bastable Infant
12 June 1814 George Bastable , Borough, 3 Weeks

Cant see a marraige for John and Phoebe Halesowen

can we find marriages for Fanny above
see if Edward is on as a Witness
prob halesowen marriage
also see if she is Bastable or Basterfield ...or similar

[mallosa]

(Extracted)
Marriage: 10 FEB 1834 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
FANNY BASTABLE
Spouse: JAMES SLIM

[Northern Lass]

That 1841 is putting dob for John abt 1786-1791
if married in 1802
suppose possible b abt 1785....but young

so we may have 2 of them
2 Johns
both masons

need him and phebe on 1851 to determine dob

[Neville Bastable]

To all concerned, this is my family of which you speak.
John Bastable(1749) was my 4 times great grandfather's brother and was married to Sarah Andrews. Their son John (1783) married Phoebe Crumpton and their children were Elizabeth(1805), William (1807), Anne(1810), Fanny (1811), George (1814) and Sarah(1815).
Sarah married twice. Her first husband was Benjamin Chatwin and her second Thomas Partridge.
On the subject of the confusion between Bastable and Basterfeld, they are completely different names with different ancient origins. The problem arises I believe because there were many more Basterfields in the area than there were of us and I know was often entered incorrectly in the census for example. I have often been listed myself as Basterfield on team sheets, things like that.
I don't know whether the above family info helps.
Neville Bastable

[dianel]

This would be good to get on BCC.

You got evidence of these marriages and children for us, Neville?
Di

[Northern Lass]

To all concerned, this is my family of which you speak.
John Bastable(1749) was my 4 times great grandfather's brother and was married to Sarah Andrews. Their son John (1783) married Phoebe Crumpton and their children were Elizabeth(1805), William (1807), Anne(1810), Fanny (1811), George (1814) and Sarah(1815).
Sarah married twice. Her first husband was Benjamin Chatwin and her second Thomas Partridge.
On the subject of the confusion between Bastable and Basterfeld, they are completely different names with different ancient origins. The problem arises I believe because there were many more Basterfields in the area than there were of us and I know was often entered incorrectly in the census for example. I have often been listed myself as Basterfield on team sheets, things like that.
I don't know whether the above family info helps.
Neville Bastable

So we must have 2 families then
one with Edward and one with the others

this one here...down as Basterfield on census and on bapts
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

could do with the rest of the kids entered for these accord to the bapts if anyone has the time

and then we have this one

The Bastables....with Sarah and Fanny....need again the other kids entered with bapts if anyone has the time pls
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =757674561

odd them both being masons/bricklayers

[Northern Lass]

Could this be it?
(Extracted)
Marriage: 07 JUN 1802 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick
JOHN BASKERFIELD
Spouse: PHEBE CRUMPTON

see this is the marriage spelt Basterfield which makes me suspect same couple as here with edward


1841 Stowerbridge Road, Halesowen
John Baskerfield 50 Bricklayer Y
Phebey Baskerfield 50
Edward Baskerfield 15


need John above on the 1851...can anyone find him
want his dob

[Northern Lass]

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