*Arc tbc* --New User Jeff

[Jimmy]

Extracted.

JOSEPH ADAMS.
ANN PAYNE.
Marriage, 04 FEB 1838. Halesowen, Worcester.
Husband Age at Marriage: 19.
Wife Age at Marriage: 17.

[peterd]

Poss
Marriage 1838
ADAMS Joseph PAYNE Ann Halesowen, St John the Baptist 014/001/37

post for look up

[mallosa]

Pete, I've added them to connections as a 'New' family pending Marriage look up.
Will add individual children as soon as I get chance

[mallosa]

all children on now except for Josiah and Jonah ...here

[Jeffrich55]

Seems like Sarah was from Manchester folks. I must have confused Sarah's a couple of years ago because I was sure then she was also in 1861 census with Thomas.
A few of my other contacts in the past also had Thomas dying in 1866 but I can't find them, only Sarah from Manchester with young Thomas and Hannah Adams born in Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire. Thomas must have died before census in 1861.

What puzzles me then is was Sarah a Bate?
If not how on earth am I going to find her maiden name. Parish records I suppose for marriage to Thomas other than or including the only marriage I can find at Oldswinford in 1811
Why would they marry in Oldswinford?


I originally thought Sarah was born in Halesowen as below.
SARAH BATE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
18 MAR 1787 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN BATE Family
Mother: SARAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C013762 1736 - 1761 0886632 Film 0883772 Film
C013762 1761 - 1786 0886633 Film NONE
C013762 1786 - 1826 0886634 Film NONE
Sheet: 00


I'm aware of a Sarah Bate born in Kingswinford
SARAH BATE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
16 JUL 1786 Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE BATE Family
Mother: ELIZ

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C053732 1718 - 1776 0417203 Film 1037017 Film
C053732 1800 - 1812 0417203 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

So is that marriage in 1811 realistic or another Sarah Bate?

next puzzle is who was Hannah Adams?

Regards Jeff

[Jeffrich55]

I had thought that Joseph had married Maria Baker in 1841 at St Thomas Dudley. This makes more sense!

Thanks.

Regards Jeff

[Northern Lass]

Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to archived section within 24 hrs

[Northern Lass]

Poss
Marriage 1838
ADAMS Joseph PAYNE Ann Halesowen, St John the Baptist 014/001/37

post for look up

Ok this has been kindly done by Kdw
so thanks Kdw


the father here is not a Thomas but a James so not the one connected to Jeff
unless we want to run any more with this will rearchive

[mallosa]

1861: Bell End, Rowley Regis, Staffs

Joseph Adams 42
Ann Adams 40

Children
Joseph Adams 16
Jonah Adams 14
Job Adams 10
Jemima Adams 8
Alfred Adams 4
Arthur Adams 8

Getting back to this Josiah or Jonah (I think it should be Jonah ) I have found this marriage...

Marriage 1868
ADAMS Jonah BEARD Rhoda Dudley, St Thomas 204/026/296

and this looks like them in 1871...

1871: Holt Lane, Cakemore, Worc
Jonah Adams 24 Head Rivet Maker Rowley Regis
Rhoda Adams 24 Wife Brosley, Staffs
William Adams 1 Son Rowley Regis (afflicted from birth)
Anne Eliza Adams 4 months Rowley Regis


I'll add to look ups to see if Jonah's father is Joseph

[mallosa]

Poss
Marriage 1838
ADAMS Joseph PAYNE Ann Halesowen, St John the Baptist 014/001/37

post for look up

Ok this has been kindly done by Kdw
so thanks Kdw


the father here is not a Thomas but a James so not the one connected to Jeff
unless we want to run any more with this will rearchive

Thanks for doing the look up kdw

[mallosa]

Can be archived now pending look up.

Thanks NL

[mallosa]

Thanks to NL, I'll post the findings of this look up shortly

[Northern Lass]

Thanks to NL, I'll post the findings of this look up shortly

Yes do Mally esp those witnesses....gobble gobble

[mallosa]

O'k, here we go, all checked out...

Marriage: 9th Nov 1868 St Thomas Dudley
Jonah Adams - 22 - Bach - Rivet Maker - Dudley - Father: Joseph Adams - Rivet Maker
Rhoda Beard - 22 - Spin - Dudley - Father: William Beard - Labourer
Both Signed
Witnesses - Ann Turkey and George Partridge - both made their mark (x)


will add to Connections and post link in a min

[Northern Lass]

Now I have to say it did look eggzactly like Turkey.... but it was fowl writing