ARC,,,Caroline Manger correct father

[Frodo]

Looking at the Manger information I have Caroline Manger 's birth is registered in the October - December quarter of 1874 (1875 is given as an approximation on BCC). David and Mary Ann got married on 15th March 1874. The death registration for Edward that Ancestry has found is for April -June quarter, I am wondering if the death might have been in March or earlier and David married Mary Ann almost straight away to help her out because she was pregnant. All the family information that has been passed down definitely has Caroline 's parents as Edward and Mary. Is there any more information that could confirm this?

[kdwoodie]

MANGER, CAROLINE PEPLOE
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 5

[Frodo]

Mary Ann was Mary Ann(e) Peplow before she married Edward Smith, I'm not sure how this relates to Caroline being named Caroline Peploe Manger with no mention of the surname Smith.

[kdwoodie]

Peploe was recorded as mothers maiden name

[kdwoodie]

Without the birth certificate to show who her father was it will be just guess work

[kdwoodie]

1939 Glendyne Beaumont Road Halesowen
Caroline ?? Adams Female 65 Widow 21 Sep 1874 Unpaid Domestic Duties
William Gould Male 34 Married 24 Feb 1905 Sheet Metal Press Operator
Dorothy M Gould Female 31 Married 3 May 1908 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Dorothy E Gould [Dorothy E Grainger]Female 10 Single Feb 1929 At School

ADAMS, DOROTHY MAY MANGER
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 25

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Dorothy M Adams
Registration Date: Jul 1928
[Aug 1928] 
[Sep 1928] 
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Spouse: William Gould
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 2286

GOULD, DOROTHY ENID ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1929 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 1403

[Frodo]

The 1939 Register is definitely the correct family. Th family stayed in and around Beaumont Road where Nathan Taylor built his houses.
Annie Ruston at 22 is Caroline's daughter/Dorothy's sister.

[kdwoodie]

Added here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =886167642

Ok to archive ?

[Frodo]

Is there anything that can help verify the year Edward Smith died? Myself and my cousin find it difficult to believe that David married Mary because he had made her pregnant which would have been the case looking at Caroline's date of birth and the date of the marriage. Some on Ancestry use 1874, others use 1871.
Edward was a coal miner according to the Census, perhaps he had an accident?

[Frodo]

If you look in the Manger section of the Gallery there is a photo which we think was taken in 1926/7 before Albert Taylor left for America and Joseph moved to Blackpool. It shows the four Manger sisters - Lucretia, Hannah, Martha and Rachel. As she lived nearby if Caroline was a Manger rather than a Smith/Manger I would have thought she might also have been on the photo.

[kdwoodie]

Possible but without buying the death cert it's just guesswork

SMITH, EDWARD    21  GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 12

[Frodo]

If I sent for Caroline's Certificate would they have used David Manger regardless because Mary and David were married at that point or would they have had to use Edward's name if he was the father? Obviously if Edward died 1871 David must be the father unless there was a third person. My father talked about his Aunt Rachel and Aunt Hannah but not about Caroline. Rachel and Hannah both used to write to him and sent wedding gifts.

[kdwoodie]

I maybe wrong but would think when registering the birth the registrar would only put what was told.

Personally because Caroline was registered as Manger I would get the death cert for Edward.

I don't have access to this record on Find My Past.

Smith

Edward

1850

1871

1871

National Burial Index For England & Wales

Cradley Heath, Staffordshire, England

[Frodo]

It does sound like in might be more useful than information about Edward might be more useful than information about Caroline.

[Frodo]

I have ordered PDF copies of Caroline's birth and Edward's possible 1871 death, they are due to arrive on 17th January.