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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby grangers14 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:57 pm

1911. 52, Albert St, Oldbury.
William Thomas, head, 25, Brick Burner
Maria, wife, 25, married 3 years 2 children both living
William, son, 3,
Maria, daur, 1
All born Oldbury
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:10 pm

THOMAS, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 796[/quote]
My Grandmother was Mary Thomas (I have no hint of middle name) and was possibly born about 1885.

On the 1939 Census she put her name as Mary E so prob Elizabeth after her mother regards RF
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:09 pm

rockyfowler wrote:THOMAS, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 796

My Grandmother was Mary Thomas (I have no hint of middle name) and was possibly born about 1885.

On the 1939 Census she put her name as Mary E so prob Elizabeth after her mother regards RF[/quote]
Sorry RF but I do not have that on my notes, from the 1939 register -> Mary Varney (nee Thomas) b 6 Mar 1886 Married Brass Turner living at 139 Reginald Road, Saltley Ron
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:59 am

Name Morris here

THOMAS, WILLIAM MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in WESTBROMWICH Volume 06B Page 728

2 William Thomas West Brom June Qtr 1885
Maiden porter and a Longmore



West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PORTER Abigail THOMAS Timothy J West Bromwich, Christ Church Sandwell Register Office 23/6/65
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby gardener » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:54 am

Northern Lass wrote:Name Morris here

THOMAS, WILLIAM MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in WESTBROMWICH Volume 06B Page 728

2 William Thomas West Brom June Qtr 1885
Maiden porter and a Longmore



West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PORTER Abigail THOMAS Timothy J West Bromwich, Christ Church Sandwell Register Office 23/6/65


No. THOMAS, WILLIAM MORRIS GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in WESTBROMWICH Volume 06B Page 728 is this one

1901
William Thomas 39 born Oldbury
Emily Thomas 34
William Thomas 13
John E Thomas 11
Emily Thomas 8
Arthur B Thomas 4
May Thomas 2
Merrnie Thomas 2/12

Emily was a Morris.

1881
Edward Morriss 42
Elizabeth Morriss 40
Maria Morriss 16
Emily Morriss 14
Eliza Morriss 11
Susannah Morriss 9
Mary Ann Morriss 6
Louisa Morriss 3
Hannah Morriss

1891
Edward Morris 52
Elisabeth Morris 51
Elisa Morris 21
Susannah Morris 19
Hannah Morris 10
William Thomas 3
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:29 am

This is a repeat of an earlier observation - I had spent quite a bit of time looking at the possible "Morris" connection but could not resolve the dates to my satisfaction.
According to the 1881/1891 censuses and idea of "Morris" as grandparents, I thought that Edward (1839) and Elizabeth (1840) were most likely too young. All the pointers for Elizabeth indicate her birth was round about 1850. if these dates are to be believed Elizabeth's parents would both only have been 10 or 11 at that time.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:36 am

Can someone with access find William Thomas born 1886 on 1939 wife maria

Maybe we can pinpoint birth record if we have dob from 1939

Not Morris one so could it be the longmore one..the Porte one looks like an Abigail porter


William Thomas West Brom June Qtr 1885
Mother Maiden names. porter and a Longmore
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby gardener » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:42 pm

As far as I can see, these are the known "ages". There are no confirmed matching births or baptisms found for them, the family has not been located in 1881 and no marriage found for the parents.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:57 pm

1861
Albert Street, Oldbury, West Bromwich, Worcestershire, England

Maria Thomas Head Widow Female 59 1802 Fishmonger Tipton, Staffordshire, England
John Thomas Son Unmarried Male 28 1833 Coal Miner Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Edward Thomas Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Coal Miner Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
David Wright Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1842 Coal Miner Not Known
Charles Taylor Lodger Unmarried Male 25 1836 Coal Miner Not Known

1911
52 Albert St Oldbury, Oldbury, Worcestershire, England


William Thomas Head Married Male 25 1886 Brick Burner Oldbury Worcester
Maria Thomas Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Oldbury Worcester
William Thomas Son - Male 3 1908 - Oldbury Worcester
Maria Thomas Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Oldbury Worcester
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:06 pm

Re Last 2 posts:
I agree with table of dates suggested with the following two observations, I have no proof that Maria/Mary was a servant for John Sidney Baylis at the Crown & Anchor – 1911 census but admit the details are a good fit. Elizabeth/Lizzie Thomas married James Cronshaw on the 1st August 1899 at the registry office (Blackpool, Lancashire), her stated age was 18.

I do not recognise any of details in the 1861 census posted that match up with any other known or suspected details found so far.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 am

Think we are stuck on this moving to brick walls.
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