Vance / Bowen Puzzle
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Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Can anyone sort this puzzle out :-
I have put on bcc but not added Patrick Vance Junior as he was registered as Bowen and married as Bowen
1871 Census Park House Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Staffs.
Mary Wild Head 64 (wid)
Joseph Wild son 24 Puddler
Sarah Wild dau 28 Factory Worker
Patrick Vance boarder 23 Labourer born Ireland
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1881 Census 16 Park Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
Patrick Vance Head 31 Labourer born Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 29
Patrick Vance son 2
Richard Bowen boarder 63 (wid)
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1891 Census 77 Park Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
Patrick Vance Head 43 General Labourer born Castle Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 48
Patrick Vance son 12 Scholar
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1901 Census Oldbury Road Harborne Kings Norton Staffs.
Patrick Vance Head 57 GWR Labourer born Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 54
Patrick Bown son 22 Coal Miner Horse Driver born Langley Worcs.
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1911 Census Oldbury Road Harborne Kings Norton Staffs.
Patrick Vance Head 60 Chemical Worker born Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 69
Married 38 years no children , 1 living
Patrick Bowen relative 22 Coal Miner Horse Driver born Langley Worcs.
Martha Jane Bowen wife 25
Married 8 mths. , 1 child , 1 living
James Patrick Bowen 0 born Staffs.
Catherine McEvoy sister 74 (wid) born Tipperary Ireland
Rest born Worcs.
Could it be he was adopted by Vance family and reverted to Bowen when over 21 ?
Note Patrick Vance and Sarah in 1911 are noted as married 38 years, no children , 1 living , 0 dead
I have put on bcc but not added Patrick Vance Junior as he was registered as Bowen and married as Bowen
1871 Census Park House Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Staffs.
Mary Wild Head 64 (wid)
Joseph Wild son 24 Puddler
Sarah Wild dau 28 Factory Worker
Patrick Vance boarder 23 Labourer born Ireland
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1881 Census 16 Park Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
Patrick Vance Head 31 Labourer born Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 29
Patrick Vance son 2
Richard Bowen boarder 63 (wid)
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1891 Census 77 Park Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
Patrick Vance Head 43 General Labourer born Castle Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 48
Patrick Vance son 12 Scholar
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1901 Census Oldbury Road Harborne Kings Norton Staffs.
Patrick Vance Head 57 GWR Labourer born Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 54
Patrick Bown son 22 Coal Miner Horse Driver born Langley Worcs.
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
1911 Census Oldbury Road Harborne Kings Norton Staffs.
Patrick Vance Head 60 Chemical Worker born Ireland
Sarah Vance wife 69
Married 38 years no children , 1 living
Patrick Bowen relative 22 Coal Miner Horse Driver born Langley Worcs.
Martha Jane Bowen wife 25
Married 8 mths. , 1 child , 1 living
James Patrick Bowen 0 born Staffs.
Catherine McEvoy sister 74 (wid) born Tipperary Ireland
Rest born Worcs.
Could it be he was adopted by Vance family and reverted to Bowen when over 21 ?
Note Patrick Vance and Sarah in 1911 are noted as married 38 years, no children , 1 living , 0 dead
Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Patrick Vance married Sarah Green 19/5/1872 St. Andrews Bordesley Birmingham Warks.
Fathers James Vance Labourer and Samuel Green Labourer
No obvious connection to Bowen surname other than Richard Bowen lived with them in 1881
Fathers James Vance Labourer and Samuel Green Labourer
No obvious connection to Bowen surname other than Richard Bowen lived with them in 1881
Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
BOWEN Patrick GRIFFITHS Martha Smethwick, St Paul Sandwell Register Office 9/4/207 1910
Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Plot thickens as Sarah Green was daughter of Samuel Green and Mary Ann Bowen and brother of Mary Ann Bowen was Richard Bowen who lived with Patrick Vance/ Bowen in 1871
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Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
1871 Census Park House Lane Oldbury West Bromwich Staffs.
Mary Wild Head 64 (wid)
Joseph Wild son 24 Puddler
Sarah Wild dau 28 Factory Worker
Patrick Vance boarder 23 Labourer born Ireland
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
This could be Mary Ann Bowen who married Samuel Green and then Joseph While or Wyle or Wild ?
and Patrick Vance/Bowen is staying with his aunt ?
Mary Wild Head 64 (wid)
Joseph Wild son 24 Puddler
Sarah Wild dau 28 Factory Worker
Patrick Vance boarder 23 Labourer born Ireland
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.
This could be Mary Ann Bowen who married Samuel Green and then Joseph While or Wyle or Wild ?
and Patrick Vance/Bowen is staying with his aunt ?
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Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
mumbles wrote:BOWEN Patrick GRIFFITHS Martha Smethwick, St Paul Sandwell Register Office 9/4/207 1910
That would be an interesting marriage to see who he puts as father
So Sarah Greens mother is a Mary ann Bowen....and so her (sarahs) uncle is Richard Bowen
is that right?
Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Yes Nl,
but expat did not connect up Richard Bowen or add on bcc
I cannot understand why Patrick changed his name from Vance to Bowen unless he was son of one of other Bowen siblings and was adopted by Patrick Vance and Sarah Green because they had no children
Sarah Green also changed her name from Sarah Green to Sarah Wild ( Wyle) to Sarah Vance when she married Patrick Vance
Age was wrong on 1881 Census and corrected in 1891, 1901 and 1911
but expat did not connect up Richard Bowen or add on bcc
I cannot understand why Patrick changed his name from Vance to Bowen unless he was son of one of other Bowen siblings and was adopted by Patrick Vance and Sarah Green because they had no children
Sarah Green also changed her name from Sarah Green to Sarah Wild ( Wyle) to Sarah Vance when she married Patrick Vance
Age was wrong on 1881 Census and corrected in 1891, 1901 and 1911
Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Added everything I can and added marriage for look up
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Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Can you see what happens to Caroline Bowen aged 9 in 1871, daughter of Richard? I don't see anything sure for her after that date. Just wondered if she she was the mother of Patrick jnr.
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Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Looked in deaths and marriages for Caroline and nothing found
Have found William Vance who married Ann Louisa Higgs had a son who married into Cooksey family on bcc so that will keep me busy making connection
Have found William Vance who married Ann Louisa Higgs had a son who married into Cooksey family on bcc so that will keep me busy making connection
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Re: Vance / Bowen Puzzle
Lets see what the marriage says see you have added it to look ups.
the birth certif would be interesting but that needs purchasing.
Do you want this archived pending look up?
the birth certif would be interesting but that needs purchasing.
Do you want this archived pending look up?