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Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

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grangers14 wrote:Yes it does but by 1861 Mary shows as widow? Albert being born after? It doesn't add up to me.
All things for Benjamin show he is single...
To me it points to that other Benjamin...Or another one!
May be them death records may be the only way...

I don't think the Benjamin, s of Ann Geary etc(the convict) is the one who married Mary Humphries, but now we have two Benjamin's born about 1827, Dudley area, both with father Joseph, one born Woodside, with father Joseph, a nailer, and one born Netherton, with father Joseph, miner??

Was he a bigamist - something strange here??
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Only presuming they are all the same Benjamins…

Criminal Registars
1854. sentenced 6 months
1855 at Worcester. 12 moths
1861. sentenced to 2 years
1864. sentenced 20 years
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Doesn't add up does it? :?
Had my head pickled all day!
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Haven't had chance to check, but do we have the Woodside Joseph appearing anywhere as a miner rather than a nailer?
As I still live in the area (a few minutes walk from Woodside) I know, but it may not be apparent to others, that the Shakespeare's in Woodside lived around what was then called High St (NOT High St Dudley, as it sometimes appears in census etc) - its now called Highgate Road. If you walk across the canal you are in Netherton, near the bottom of Blackbrook Road (at the, what you might refer to as the 'back' of Netherton Hill (ie where they buried all the Dudley cholera victims in the 1830's - 1840's, but I digress....)
Benjamin would surely have known he was born in Woodside, wouldn't he?
This is very strange......
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Glad to know Im not on my own here!
But yes odd and I don't think Benjamin who went to Australia married. Everything says he wasn't. I can understand if Mary didn't want to put father if he was sent away but for him to include Benjamin as father in his marriage makes you think they spoke about it. Or did he just put down Benjamin because his Mum told him and he wasn't?
I think we need to check them deaths first... its a pickle!
But what ever it isn't right.
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Found another possible Benjamin:

1841 Rounds Green , Oldbury
Joseph Shakespeare, 50, Coal Miner
Mary, 50
Benjamin, 15, Coal Miner
None born in county
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not following this thread but my woodside lot always referred to being from woodside.
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From freereg
28th July 1823, St Thomas,, Dudley
Benjamin Shakespeare, otp,B,
Ann Greary, otp, S,
Banns.
Witnesses, S Paskin, Caleb Bloomer.
Bride and Groom made x,witnesses signed
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I think this may be Benjamin in 1851.??

Transcribed as Shaberpear, looks like Shakespeare.
1851. Gullet Angel Street, Stourbridge.
Benjamin Shakespeare, head, U, 26, Miner, Brockmoor
Emma James, Lodger, U, 21, house servant, Wolleston

Is Benjamin sr on bcc??

Ive added what I think I can.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =149329297

If you can look over if you have time sp1 and see what you think please?
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grangers14 wrote:I think this may be Benjamin in 1851.??

Transcribed as Shaberpear, looks like Shakespeare.
1851. Gullet Angel Street, Stourbridge.
Benjamin Shakespeare, head, U, 26, Miner, Brockmoor
Emma James, Lodger, U, 21, house servant, Wolleston

Is Benjamin sr on bcc??

Ive added what I think I can.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =149329297

If you can look over if you have time sp1 and see what you think please?
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Jo, this:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family
Is Benjamin Sr - that one didn't die in 1806: that's a mistake! Also a mistake is the Benjamin down as his brother born 1806: that one didn't exist!
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Also two children of Benjamin Shakespeare and Ann Geary missing:

Mary b 1828 d 1828
Edward b1837

Also, Mary (the daughter already on BCC) is Mary Ann
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Ok I will sort them. I had seen the other baptisms but as one was for Mary and the other Mary Ann I wrongly assumed...

Im trying to sort the who married Humphries, but its on another thread I think but cant see for looking!!
Any way I will add here, note Agnes being born Oldbury! I will have to find the other thread with Alberts info on...I cant see sun shining in my eyes and its too windy for a brolly!!
1851.11 House Attwood Place, St George, Birmingham
Jane Humphries, Head, mar, 46, Tailoress, Somerset, Dun?
Mary Shakespeare, daur, mar, 19, Leamington
Charlotte Humhries, daur, 11, Leamington,
Henry Humphries, son, 10, Staffordshire, West?
Jane Shakespeare, grand daur, 4 months? Birmingham
Michael Wood, Father, W, 82? Alcombe, Somerset
Benjamin Shakespeare, son in law, 23, Miner , Netherton

1861. 4, ? Row, St George, Birmingham
Jane Humpries, head, W, 56, Tailoress, Dunston
Mary Shakespeare, daur, W, 29, Tailoress,?
Charlotte ,(it has Charlotte do but must be a mistake) daur, 21, Guard Chain Maker, ?
Mary Jane, Grand daur, 10, Birmingham
Agnes, grand daur, 8, Oldbury
Harriet, grand daur, 2, Birmingham
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So the ben born Dudley, father John? Are we sure and The other one had no Bens as children? And where is Mary Ann on BCC?
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grangers14 wrote:So the ben born Dudley, father John? Are we sure and The other one had no Bens as children? And where is Mary Ann on BCC?

No, not born Dudley, born Brierley Hill s of Benjamin Shakespeare & Sarah Baker (that is, the Benjamin who m Ann Geary), but he wasn't born 1806 as on bcc but 1802.
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The links I posted earlier dont seem to be working properly now - BCC doing something strange!
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