*Archive* Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Completed discussions and lookup requests. All topics are locked on archive. Please contact a forum moderator if you'd like a thread re-activated.

Moderators: grangers14, admin, Northern Lass, peterd

Locked
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

*Archive* Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

1861. District County Prison, St Mary Stafford
Benjamin Shakespeare, prisoner, unmarried, Coal Miner, Brierly Hill

6th March 1861. England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Benjamin Shakespear being found by night with implements of housebreaking in his possession,
Also at the same time 2 others for the same crime and sentence
Thomas Bromley and Henry Green

Theres a few Benjamins in the criminal registars...

Can we follow him...
Top
sp1
Posts: 1053
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm
Primary Surname Interests: pearson,shakespeare,hickman,rollason,dunn,rowley,downing,skelding,plant
Primary Geographical Research Areas: dudley,brierley hill,kingswinford,rowley regis, black country

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2

Post by sp1 »

grangers14 wrote:1861. District County Prison, St Mary Stafford
Benjamin Shakespeare, prisoner, unmarried, Coal Miner, Brierly Hill

6th March 1861. England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Benjamin Shakespear being found by night with implements of housebreaking in his possession,
Also at the same time 2 others for the same crime and sentence
Thomas Bromley and Henry Green

Theres a few Benjamins in the criminal registars...

Can we follow him...

I think he is the son of Benjamin Shakespeare & Ann Geary - he seems to have been a bit of a naughty boy!
Top
User avatar
dudleytaylor
Posts: 1538
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:29 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Badley ,Taylor,Cadman,Hazelwood Hughes Spiers
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Dudley Oldbury Warley Langley
Location: Living in Worcestershire,Paternal Family from Dudley,Maternal family from Oldbury

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2

Post by dudleytaylor »

I have him on my tree . If it is correct ,he was sent to Australia.There is quite a bit about him on Ancestry
It's easy to stand with the crowd . It takes courage to stand alone
Top
sp1
Posts: 1053
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm
Primary Surname Interests: pearson,shakespeare,hickman,rollason,dunn,rowley,downing,skelding,plant
Primary Geographical Research Areas: dudley,brierley hill,kingswinford,rowley regis, black country

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2

Post by sp1 »

dudleytaylor wrote:I have him on my tree . If it is correct ,he was sent to Australia.There is quite a bit about him on Ancestry

DT - am curious how he connects to you.
His brother John was also sent to Australia for the same crime.
Top
User avatar
dudleytaylor
Posts: 1538
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:29 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Badley ,Taylor,Cadman,Hazelwood Hughes Spiers
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Dudley Oldbury Warley Langley
Location: Living in Worcestershire,Paternal Family from Dudley,Maternal family from Oldbury

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2

Post by dudleytaylor »

sp1 wrote:
dudleytaylor wrote:I have him on my tree . If it is correct ,he was sent to Australia.There is quite a bit about him on Ancestry

DT - am curious how he connects to you.
His brother John was also sent to Australia for the same crime.


If you remember you did a lot of work on here about the Shakespear' s . You told me that we were related by marriage , because my granddads sister had married William Henry Shakespeare 1890-1966
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family
It's easy to stand with the crowd . It takes courage to stand alone
Top
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

Ive just been going through this...
Ive found the one who was sent to Australia for 20 years, his parents Benjamin and Anne Geary...
All the trees I can see on Ancestry have this Benjamin marrying Mary Humphries but when looking at the parish record it states his father as Joseph? Also on his death record it states un married as Status??

I thought this may have been his family at first...
1841. Brockmore, Kingswinford.
Benjamin Shalespeare, 35, Miner
Ann, 35,
Isaiah, 15, miner
Benjamin, 15, miner
Maria, 12,
Mary, 10,
John, 7,
Sarah, 3,
All born in County

1851. Brockmore Village, Kingswinford
Ann Shakespeare, head, W, 45, Midwife, Brierly Hill
Isaiah, son, 27, Coal Miner
John, son, son, 16, Coal miner
Sarah, Daur, 13
Eliza, daur, 9
All others born Brockmore


Stafford Assizes. 7th March 1864.
Benjamin Shakespeare. Feloniously Woundng with intenet to murder, 20 years

Death.10/10/1902. Perth, Western Australia
Benjamin Shakespeare age 75. U, Miner
Father, Benjamin, Mother, Anne Geary
Top
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

:?
Albert Henry states his father was Benjamin, he was born Jan-Mar quarter, birth cert shows Feb is it, 1862. I cant read it well. And I cant see a father named? And Mary says she is widowed in 1861? Benjamin in prison 1861 also says unmarried. Could another Benjamin be father may be died?
Top
sp1
Posts: 1053
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm
Primary Surname Interests: pearson,shakespeare,hickman,rollason,dunn,rowley,downing,skelding,plant
Primary Geographical Research Areas: dudley,brierley hill,kingswinford,rowley regis, black country

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by sp1 »

grangers14 wrote:Ive just been going through this...
Ive found the one who was sent to Australia for 20 years, his parents Benjamin and Anne Geary...
All the trees I can see on Ancestry have this Benjamin marrying Mary Humphries but when looking at the parish record it states his father as Joseph? Also on his death record it states un married as Status??

I thought this may have been his family at first...
1841. Brockmore, Kingswinford.
Benjamin Shalespeare, 35, Miner
Ann, 35,
Isaiah, 15, miner
Benjamin, 15, miner
Maria, 12,
Mary, 10,
John, 7,
Sarah, 3,
All born in County

1851. Brockmore Village, Kingswinford
Ann Shakespeare, head, W, 45, Midwife, Brierly Hill
Isaiah, son, 27, Coal Miner
John, son, son, 16, Coal miner
Sarah, Daur, 13
Eliza, daur, 9
All others born Brockmore


Stafford Assizes. 7th March 1864.
Benjamin Shakespeare. Feloniously Woundng with intenet to murder, 20 years

Death.10/10/1902. Perth, Western Australia
Benjamin Shakespeare age 75. U, Miner
Father, Benjamin, Mother, Anne Geary

That is definitely his family Jo (the one transported to Australia).
I am suspicious now about the one married to Mary Ann Humphries - what details do you have about his father?
Top
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

All the things about Benjamin who went to Australia point to him being single! Is there any mention in newspapers of a wife or family? Would they not put his wife down on the death cert. I don't know what goes on them and I cant read it clearly...Something doesn't feel right :? Ive been doing this all day

Im looking at the image of the marriage.
It says,
25th December 1850. All saints Hockley, Birmingham
Benjamin Shakespeare, full age, B, Miner, No 5 Attwood Place, Great King Street, Joseph Shakespeare, Miner
Mary Humphreys, Minor, S, No 5 Attwood Place, Great King Street, John Humphreys, Stone Mason
Banns
Both Signed.
Witnesses John Humphreys, X of Ann Lloyd

It matches that Ann.
Doesn't add up.
Jo :)
Top
sp1
Posts: 1053
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm
Primary Surname Interests: pearson,shakespeare,hickman,rollason,dunn,rowley,downing,skelding,plant
Primary Geographical Research Areas: dudley,brierley hill,kingswinford,rowley regis, black country

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by sp1 »

Have just realised I have 1851 census for Benjamin Shakespeare & Mary Ann Humphries - Benjamin gives his age as 23, Born Netherton.
Top
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

Deaths......

Benjamin Shakespear Jul-Aug-Sep 1853 West Bromwich Staffordshire

Benjamin Shakespeare Apr-May-Jun 1857 Stourbridge Worcestershire

Benjamin Shakespeare Jul-Aug-Sep 1861 Stourbridge Worcestershire

Benjamin Shakespeare Jan-Feb-Mar 1864 Stourbridge Worcestershire

I cant see a fathers name on Alberts birth cert, can you? May be Benjamin had died and had a child out of wed lock, but called him still the same surname as she was Shakespeare by then? Do you know of any of the other birth certificates?
Top
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

yep that Benjamin is with them in Birmingham...
Top
sp1
Posts: 1053
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm
Primary Surname Interests: pearson,shakespeare,hickman,rollason,dunn,rowley,downing,skelding,plant
Primary Geographical Research Areas: dudley,brierley hill,kingswinford,rowley regis, black country

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by sp1 »

What about this one:
Bapt 4 Nov 1827, St Thomas, Dudley, Benjamin s of Joseph & Mary Shakespeare - but isn't he the one who married Colebison/ Jukes (widow)??

Now I'm confused!
Top
sp1
Posts: 1053
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm
Primary Surname Interests: pearson,shakespeare,hickman,rollason,dunn,rowley,downing,skelding,plant
Primary Geographical Research Areas: dudley,brierley hill,kingswinford,rowley regis, black country

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by sp1 »

grangers14 wrote:yep that Benjamin is with them in Birmingham...

Doesn't that one say son-in-law - ie Mary's husband
Top
User avatar
grangers14
Posts: 15645
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:50 pm
Primary Surname Interests: Shaw, Round, Lawrence, Wain
Primary Geographical Research Areas: Midlands, North East
Location: North East

Re: Benjamin Shakespeare...2--Jo sorting

Post by grangers14 »

Yes it does but by 1861 Mary shows as widow? Albert being born after? It doesn't add up to me.
All things for Benjamin show he is single...
To me it points to that other Benjamin...Or another one!
May be them death records may be the only way...
Top
Locked

Return to “Black Country: Archived Topics”