ARC TBC - Mary Coley 1800 - 1837 Halesowen

[dumblonde]

I have a death cert for Mary Coley died 20/12/1837 age 37 died in childbirth ,in attendance Elizabeth Johnson, death registered 23/12/1837 at Cornbow Halesowen.

I have found a bap at St Johns H/O for Mary Coley 16/4/1800 of John and Mary Coley - is this her?

On same page in parish register burial for Mary Coley 12/4/1800 - is this Mary's mum who poss also died in childbirth?

Can we find a marriage for John Coley married Mary unknown pre 1800?
Mary b 1800 had a brother Thomas

Can we find in 1841 census John Coley widower, Cornbow area possibly?

I am trying to prove that Mary b 1800 is William Smith common law wife, mother of Richard Coley Smith, bap as Richard son of William and Mary Smith 17/5/1838 at Romsley. In 1841census Richard was living in Cornbow with William Smith (father) and Sarah Smith (grandmother)
There seem to be numerous connections between Smith, Coley Bayliss and Crumpton families in the Cornbow

[Northern Lass]

This is Richard on Bcc
we have him bapt at Halesowen married at Romsley
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =913006420

1841 Cornbow Halesowen
Sarah Smith 75
William Smith 35
Richard Smith 6

1851 Census Little Cornbow Halesowen
William Hackett 58
all born Halesowen
Betty Wife 62
Betty DA 23
Zachariah Sawyer SL 30
Sarah Sawyer DA M 30
William Henry Sawyer 9
Elizabeth Sawyer 4
William Smith VR 50
Mary Basterfield VR Widow 63
Emma Hackett GD 14

notes on William Smith father..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =154783112

[Northern Lass]

I have a death cert for Mary Coley died 20/12/1837 age 37 died in childbirth ,in attendance Elizabeth Johnson, death registered 23/12/1837 at Cornbow Halesowen.

I have found a bap at St Johns H/O for Mary Coley 16/4/1800 of John and Mary Coley - is this her?

On same page in parish register burial for Mary Coley 12/4/1800 - is this Mary's mum who poss also died in childbirth?

Can we find a marriage for John Coley married Mary unknown pre 1800?
Mary b 1800 had a brother Thomas

Can we find in 1841 census John Coley widower, Cornbow area possibly?

I am trying to prove that Mary b 1800 is William Smith common law wife, mother of Richard Coley Smith, bap as Richard son of William and Mary Smith 17/5/1838 at Romsley. In 1841census Richard was living in Cornbow with William Smith (father) and Sarah Smith (grandmother)
There seem to be numerous connections between Smith, Coley Bayliss and Crumpton families in the Cornbow

This could work couldnt it
Linell notes this....
Richard was apparently the favourite nephew of Thomas Coley, the owner of a prosperous "˜button manufactory"™ in Love Lane, Hasbury (maybe Thomas was Richard's father??) Thomas Coley is reputed to have advanced the money to start the Nailmaking Business which Richard carried on throughout his adult life.

that would fit with Thomas being brother to Mary Coley
and the middle name of Richard Coley Smith.

is that Thomas Coley the son of John and Mary mentioned above?

[dumblonde]

Mary was 37 0n death cert.

Elizabeth Johnson was informant present at death her residence was Cornbow. She could be significant, can anyone find her on 1841 census?

I have also the same info about Richard, that he was set up in business by Thomas Coley, a button factory owner of Love Lane. Not sure if that was where he lived or where factory was. Thomas Coley was his uncle. This info comes from a family member who is a geneaolygist who has been transcribing St Johns parish records.

So we have Mary born 1800 with a brother Thomas can we find himI on 1841 census and work back through his marriage?

[Jimmy]

1841. Cornbow St, Halesowen, Worcs.
Evan Johnson 60. Nail maker.
Elizabeth Johnson 45.

Both born in country.

1851. Little Cornbow, Halesowen.
Evan Johnson 73. Wid. Nailer. Bridgewater, Shropshire. looks like Bridgenorth.

[Jimmy]

Evan Johnson.
bride's name: Mary Thomas.
marriage date: 20 Apr 1807.
marriage place: Saint Mary Magdalene,Bridgnorth,Shropshire.
indexing project (batch) number: M03734-1.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 502914, 510656.

[dumblonde]

Did Evan Johnson wife Mary die before 1837 and he married Elizabeth unknown then?

[linell]

Did Evan Johnson wife Mary die before 1837 and he married Elizabeth unknown then?

Elizabeth is aged 45 in 1841 (living next door to Wm and Richard Smith) with Evan Johnson aged 60. Elizabeth is not there in 1851 Evan is a Widower aged 73 Nailer, born Bridgnorth. Wonder if Evan did live with or Marry Elizabeth Or was she a daughter Will see if I can find a death for her. Being as they were from Bridgnorth, probably just good neighbours and no connection

As for Mary how do we know she wasn't Married to a Coley, maybe Thomas was a brother in law I find it really odd that Richard who had lived all of his young life with William Smith gave his father as William Coley Nailer on his Marriage Entry. Reading between the lines, he did not know who is biological father was, and gave the name of Wm who had bought him up and Coley as he knew his biological father was a Coley, sorry is this confusing.

I too have searched all the Parish Records for Mary not found anything solid.

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

I have added some more to Marys notes

Not added in her maiden name as we are unsure

[Northern Lass]

I have split thread and put Thomas query on another thread.

I think that Mary Coley looks like sister of Thomas Coley
that bit about being nephew of Thomas
But not sure father is John for her and Thomas
Thomas Coley button manuf is on another thread but father for a poss marriage is a JOseph not a john.

have for moment whilst work in progress connected here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =464715066
with notes

[Northern Lass]

emm did we ever find/get a birth certif for Richard Coley Smith

as that will have Marys maiden name on it

dumblonde did you get one?

mary dies 20 dec 1837 so if she died having Richard there should be a birth regis

is this maybe a late added one? or another Richard
1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
COLEY Richard Stourbridge (STO) Dudley Register Office STO/009/20

although this looks like that one
name: Richard Coley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 May 1843
baptism/christening place: OLD SWINFORD,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Job Coley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C04027-5
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 533992, 533993, 533994
reference number:

[linell]

Richard Smith baptised Halesowen 17.5.1838 -
[Baptism notes] Pr looked up by Jan ...Richard Smith son of William and Mary Borough Nailer.

Mary Coley - Burial
24 Dec 1837
St Johns Halesowen Parish Register says she was aged 34

These dates to not add up Richard born about 1838, Mary died 20.12.1837

I think Richard was born before Civil Registration, nothing on Free BMD until 1839, don't think that is him

What name was on Mary's Death Certificate Dumblonde, was it Mary Coley or Mary Smith

I did notice that the name Richard runs through the Smith Tree, Wm Smith's father was Richard Smith, perhaps we have this all wrong and Wm Smith was Richard's father, and Mary was the Coley She died so Richard kept her name as anyone would do who had lost their Mom at any early age. Just my thoughts Linell.

[dumblonde]

No birth cert found for Richard

Death cert for Mary Coley
Died 20/12/1837 Cornbow Mary Coley Female 37NailMaker died in childbirth registered 23/12/1837

Burial St Johns H/O 24/12/1837 age 34 Mary Coley

Richard Smith bap Romsley of William & Mary Smith Borough Nailer 17/5/1838 ( he would be 5months)

If you look on BCC you will see that Richard changed his name all the time throughout his life
Richard called himself Coley and his father William Coley on his marriage cert

On 1841,1851,1861,1871,1881 he called himself Smith, Coley, Smith Coley.

His children were called Coley, Smith Coley, Smith and Coley Smith

[linell]

Thanks dumblonde so Mary was Smith on Richards baptism Coley on her death cert and burial. How do you know Richard was 5 months when he was baptised, some Census entries place his birth abt 1836. Mary's death in Childbirth may have been another child, who probably wouldn't have survived either? Ok I give up on this, too many 'scenarios!'

Linell

[Northern Lass]

Richard Smith baptised Halesowen 17.5.1838 -
[Baptism notes] Pr looked up by Jan ...Richard Smith son of William and Mary Borough Nailer.

Mary Coley - Burial
24 Dec 1837
St Johns Halesowen Parish Register says she was aged 34

These dates to not add up Richard born about 1838, Mary died 20.12.1837

I think Richard was born before Civil Registration, nothing on Free BMD until 1839, don't think that is him

What name was on Mary's Death Certificate Dumblonde, was it Mary Coley or Mary Smith

I did notice that the name Richard runs through the Smith Tree, Wm Smith's father was Richard Smith, perhaps we have this all wrong and Wm Smith was Richard's father, and Mary was the Coley She died so Richard kept her name as anyone would do who had lost their Mom at any early age. Just my thoughts Linell.

I think this sounds oK I am changing dob for Richard to 1837 and adding in burial info as it says in Pr.
I am adding in name Coley for her too