Now I'm a bit puzzled because on Eleanor's marriage in 1888 her father is listed as deceased, yet we have him still alive on the subsequent censuses and a possible death of 1917
Is that just an error on the marriage or have we got things completely wrong on BCC?
Thanks peterd I think I have maybe got Eleanors mixed up here .... I think we might need that other marriage that you found ?
STAMP Eleanor SOUTHALL William H 1880 Smethwick, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 1/2/475
...will post for lookup.
Another thing ....looking at the witnesses on Eleanor's marriage ... none of those Stamps appear to be brothers or sister of the Eleanor already on BCC
25 Aug 1888 Christchurch, Oldbury Owen Brindley,23,bachelor, of Blakeley Hall (looks like Stop, but there is a Blakeley Hall Rd in Oldbury), father Charles Brindley,clerk. Eleanor Stamp,28,spinster, of Birmingham Rd, father George Stamp(dec), glass master. Witnesses:- Thomas Stamp, Hannah Stamp, Jane Stamp, Edwin Micharl Jory, Annie Jory and Albert Swift
1891 at 31 Grace Rd., Bordesley William Southall Head 32 Iron Turner b. Staffs., Tipton Eleanor Southall Wife 31 b. Staffs., Smethwick George Southall Son 10 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick Priscilla Southall Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick William Southall Son 7 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick Maria Southall Daur 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick Joseph Southall Son 3 b. Birmingham May Southall Daur 3/12 b. Birmingham
1881 at 28 St. George St., Smethwick, Harborne Noah Cox Head Widr 72 Nailor b. Worcs., Oldbury William Southall Boarder 22 Engine Turner b. Staffs., Tipton Elenor Southall Boarder 21 b. Staffs., Smethwick George Southall Son b. Staffs., Smethwick
Think William & Eleanor are with Eleanor's grandfather, Noah Cox:
1871 at St. George St., Smethwick, Harborne Noah Cox 60 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Oldbury Hannah Cox 60 b. Staffs., Smethwick
1861 at St. George St., Smethwick, Harborne Noah Cox Head 52 Black Smith b. Worcs., Oldbury Hannah Cox Wife 54 b. Staffs., Smethwick Elijah Cox Son 18 Glass Maker b. Warwick., Birmingham
1851 at 7 St. George St., Smethwick, Harborne Noah Cox Head 42 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Oldbury Hannah Cox Wife 45 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Smethwick Mary Ann Cox Daur 16 Nail Maker b. Warwick., Birmingham Maria Cox Daur 14 (b. 1837) Nail Maker b. Warwick., Birmingham Elijah Cox Son 9 Scholar b. Warwick., Birmingham
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25 Aug 1888 Christchurch, Oldbury Owen Brindley,23,bachelor, of Blakeley Hall (looks like Stop, but there is a Blakeley Hall Rd in Oldbury), father Charles Brindley,clerk. Eleanor Stamp,28,spinster, of Birmingham Rd, father George Stamp(dec), glass master. Witnesses:- Thomas Stamp, Hannah Stamp, Jane Stamp, Edwin Micharl Jory, Annie Jory and Albert Swift
1871 at B'ham Rd., Oldbury George Stamp 47 Window Glass Cutter b. Staffs., W. Bromwich Hannah Stamp Wife 43 b. Worcs., Oldbury Auther Stamp Son 23 Window Glass Cutter b. Worcs., Oldbury Sarah Stamp Daur 15 Dress Maker b. Worcs., Oldbury Eleanor Stamp Daur 11 b. Somerset, Bristol Jane Stamp Daur 9 b. Somerset, Bristol Thomas Stamp Son 7 b. Worcs., Oldbury Hannah Stamp Daur 3 b. Staffs., West Smethwick Timothy Turner Cousin Mar 66 Boot & Shoe Maker b. Worcs., Oldbury William Hughes Boarder Mar 43 Ship Builder b. Staffs., Wolverhampton
Possible for the George Stamp whose daughter, Eleanor married Owen Brindley:
1861 at Eastern Road, Bristol George Stamp Head 38 Glass Cutter b. Staffs., Smethwick Hannah Stamp Wife 34 Wife b. Worcs., Oldbury Auther Stamp Son 13 Glass Cutter b. Worcs., Oldbury Sarah Stamp Daur 4 b. Worcs., Oldbury Ellenor Stamp Daur 1 b. Bristol William Underhill Lodger 24 Glass Cutter b. Worcs., Oldbury
1851 at Birmingham Street on Oldbury Green, Oldbury Stephen Turner (transcribed as 'Larner') Head 49 Stone Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury Sarah Turner 48 Wife Beerhouse Keeper b. Staffs., Rowley George Stamps (transcribed as 'Shansks') Son in law 27 Glass cutter b. Staffs., Smethwick Hannah Stamps daur 23 b. Worcs., Oldbury Arthur Stamps Grandson 3 b. Worcs., Oldbury Stephen Turner Grandson 5 b. Staffs., W. Bromwich Think he might have married an Esther Hadley John Campbell Lodger 58 Stone Miner b. Mathger, Monmouthshire, Wales Richard Powell Lodger 31 Stone Miner b. Bilston, Staffordshire Ann Powell Servant 11 House Servant b. Potteries, Staffordshire
1851 at Scotch Row, Hamlet of Smethwick, Harborne Ellenor Stamp Head W 50 b. Northumberland, Narborne Joseph Stamp Son 23 Glass Cutter b. Staffs., Smethwick Thomas Stamp Son 20 Glass Maker b. Staffs., Smethwick Jane Stamp Daur 16 Night Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick Mariah Stamp Daur 13 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick Joseph Dutton Granson 2 b. Staffs., Smethwick John Cooper Lodger 18 Glass Cutter b. Staffs., Great Barr
1841 at Oldbury Road, Smethwick Eleanor Stamps 35 Grocer Not born in county Ann Stamps 7 b. in county Jane Stamps 5 b. in county Maria Stamps 4 b. in county George Stamps 13 Glass Cutter b. in county Joseph Stamps 9 b. in county Thomas Stamps 6 b. in county George Jackson 15 Glass maker Not born in county
From IGI Beta: England, Marriages, 1538"“1973 (confirmed by census 1851) Marriage: 30 Nov 1845 Harborne,"‹ Stafford,"‹ England Groom: George Stamp Groom's age: 22 Groom's marital status: Single Groom's father: Arthur Stamp Bride: Hannah Turner Bride's age: 21 Bride's father: Stephen Turner
From IGI Beta: England, Marriages, 1538"“1973 Marriage: 15 Apr 1820 Aston Juxta Birmingham,"‹Warwick,"‹England Groom: Arthur Stamp Groom's marital status: Single Bride: Eleanor Grant Bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M01168-1
IGI Beta: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 (confirmed by 1841 census) Children to Arthur Stamp/s and Eleanor: Thomas Stamp christening: 10 Oct 1830 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Jane Stamp christening: 22 Mar 1835 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Ann Stamp christening: 19 Oct 1828 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Maria Stamp christening: 16 Sep 1832 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Maria Stamp christening: 14 May 1837 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Joseph Stamps christening: 01 Jul 1827 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND George Stamps christening: 29 Jun 1823 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Jane Stamps christening: 30 Jan 1825 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Elizabeth Stamps christening: 30 Jul 1820 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND Mary Stamps christening: 25 Nov 1821 SMETHWICK,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND
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Eleanor - who married Owen Brindley, with her widowed mother, Hannah?
1881 at Bir. Road, Oldbury (transcribed as 'Thorpe') Hannah Stamps Head 53 b. Rounds Green, Worcs Sarah Lewis Mother 78 b. Staffs., Rowley Eleanor Stamps Daur 21 Dress Maker b. Bristol, Glouc. Jane Stamps Daur 19 Dress Maker b. Bristol, Glouc. Thomas Stamps Son 17 Clerk b. Oldbury, Worcs. Hannah Stamps Daur 13 Dress Maker b. Staffs., Smethwick
and Hannah after Eleanor's marriage: 1891 at 123 Birm. Rd., Oldbury Hannah Stamp Head W 63 b. Rounds Green, Worcs Jane Stamp Daur S 28 Dress Maker b. Bristol, Glouc. Hannah Stamp Daur S 23 Dress Maker b. Staffs., West Smethwick
1851 at Birmingham Street on Oldbury Green, Oldbury Stephen Turner (transcribed as 'Larner') Head 49 Stone Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury Sarah Turner 48 Wife Beerhouse Keeper b. Staffs., Rowley George Stamps (transcribed as 'Shansks') Son in law 27 Glass cutter b. Staffs., Smethwick Hannah Stamps daur 23 b. Worcs., Oldbury Arthur Stamps Grandson 3 b. Worcs., Oldbury Stephen Turner Grandson 5 b. Staffs., W. Bromwich Think he might have married an Esther Hadley John Campbell Lodger 58 Stone Miner b. Mathger, Monmouthshire, Wales Richard Powell Lodger 31 Stone Miner b. Bilston, Staffordshire Ann Powell Servant 11 House Servant b. Potteries, Staffordshire
