*TBC* Connection between Birmingham area & Hampshire?

[peterd]

Hi peterd & Alec

Alec it is almost definitely Alderminster.

HAMPSHIRE GOODALLS

I have a definite John (Newfound, Hampshire)& Jemima (Newfound)Goodall married 8 August 1836 in I think Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire.

Their parents are I believe John Goodall(b. abt 1781 in Newfound) married Ann Taplin (b. Alderminster)in Dummer 1804 March 12th


Ron555

lets come at it from the others side then

[peterd]

this is the marriage

JOHN GOODALL
JEMIMA RAMPTON
Marriage: 08 AUG 1836 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire, England

and 1881 census

Household:
Newfound Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire,


John GOODALL 66 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, Gen Lab
Jemima GOODALL 64 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire,
Dinah FRY Boarder W 71 Pamber, Hampshire,
Amos GOODALL Son U 24 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, Ag Lab
Esau OLIVER Boarder W 26 Church Oakley, Hampshire,
Charles OLIVER Boarder 6 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, Scholar


two doors up

Newfound Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, England

George GOODALL 44 Oakley, Hampshire, Sawyer
Jane GOODALL 42 Sherborne St John, Hampshire, Laundress
Alfred H. FRY Step Son 21 Basingstoke, Hampshire, d Sawyer



Marriages Dec 1872

Fry Jane Basingstoke 2c 421
GOODALL George Basingstoke 2c 421



GEORGE GOODALL
Christening: 25 DEC 1836 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire, England

Father: JOHN GOODALL
Mother: JEMIMA


all siblings to George parents john and Jemima

HARRY GOODALL
Christening: 25 APR 1852 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

AMOS GOODALL
Christening: 31 JAN 1858 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

THOMAS GOODALL
Christening: 31 MAR 1850 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

ROBERT GOODALL
Christening: 28 JAN 1844 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

JORAM GOODALL
Christening: 22 JUL 1841 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

ANDREW GOODALL
Christening: 26 MAR 1854 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

DANIEL GOODALL
Christening: 28 AUG 1842 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,

DANIEL GOODALL
Christening: 30 MAY 1847 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire,


can anyone pick up the people in early censuses that are in those two 1881 censuses

[peterd]

extracted poss john

JOHN GUDDEL
Christening: 06 NOV 1814 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire, England
Parents:
Mother: ANN GUDDEL

[mallosa]

this is the marriage

JOHN GOODALL
JEMIMA RAMPTON
Marriage: 08 AUG 1836 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire, England

and 1881 census

Household:
Newfound Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire,


John GOODALL 66 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, Gen Lab
Jemima GOODALL 64 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire,
Dinah FRY Boarder W 71 Pamber, Hampshire,
Amos GOODALL Son U 24 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, Ag Lab
Esau OLIVER Boarder W 26 Church Oakley, Hampshire,
Charles OLIVER Boarder 6 Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, Scholar


two doors up

Newfound Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire, England

George GOODALL 44 Oakley, Hampshire, Sawyer
Jane GOODALL 42 Sherborne St John, Hampshire, Laundress
Alfred H. FRY Step Son 21 Basingstoke, Hampshire, d Sawyer

can anyone pick up the people in early censuses that are in those two 1881 censuses

1871: Newfound Village, Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire

John Goodall 51 Head
Jemima Goodall 55 Wife
George Goodall 34 Son U
Dan Goodall 24 Son U Oakley, Hants
Thomas Goodall 21 Son U
Harry Goodall 18 Son U
Mary T Goodall 11 Dau
Hannah Whitton 26 Dau M
Henry G Whitham 2 Gr.Son
Samuel Rampton 81 Boarder U
all born in County

[dianel]

1861 Newfound, Wootton St. Lawrence
John Goodall Head 46 Sawyer
Jemima Goodall Wife 44 Sawyer's wife
George Goodall Son 24 Ag. Lab.
Daniel Goodall Son 19 Ag. Lab.
Thomas Goodall Son 11 Carter(?) boy
Henry Goodall Son 9 Carter(?) boy
Andrew Goodall Son 7
Ellen Goodall Daur 5
Amos Goodall Son 3
Mary Jane Goodall Daur 1
Daniel Rampton Lodger Widr 70 Ag. Lab.

[gardener]

I wonder if this is the 1861 entry for Mary Ann in Kings Norton
only surname is Goodyer I think and Ancestry has Goodger

William 33 bayonet grinder born Kings Norton
Mary A 26 born Aston
John William7 born Kings Norton
William 5 born Birmingham
Joseph 3 born Birmingham

Hard to know if it is or isn't

PS
Mary Ann Goodall, 37 years old(widow)with sons John 17, William 15 & Joseph 13 at 83 Longmore St. Birmingham in 1871. (I see this as being Kings Norton not Birmingham)

[dianel]

1851 Newfound St. Lawrence Wootton
John Goodell Head 37 Sawyer b. Wootton, Hampshire
Jemima Goodell Wife 34 b. Stretton, Hampshire
Jemina Goodell Daur 10 b. Wootton, Hampshire
Daniel Goodell Son 8 Scholar b. Wootton, Hampshire
Hannah Goodell Daur 6 Scholar b. Wootton, Hampshire
Dan Goodell Son 3 b. Wootton, Hampshire
Thos Goodell Son 1 b. Wootton, Hampshire

[peterd]

I wonder if this is the 1861 entry for Mary Ann in Kings Norton
only surname is Goodyer I think and Ancestry has Goodger

William 33 bayonet grinder born Kings Norton
Mary A 26 born Aston
John William7 born Kings Norton
William 5 born Birmingham
Joseph 3 born Birmingham

Hard to know if it is or isn't

PS
Mary Ann Goodall, 37 years old(widow)with sons John 17, William 15 & Joseph 13 at 83 Longmore St. Birmingham in 1871. (I see this as being Kings Norton not Birmingham)

here the marriage i think

WILLIAM GOODYER
MARY ANN GARRISON
Marriage: 25 JAN 1852 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick,

[dianel]

1841 Newfound, Wootton St. Lawrence
All born in county
John Goodall 25 Ag. Lab.
Jemmime Goodall 20
George Goodall 4
Jemmime Goodall 1

Next page:
John Goodall 60 Ag. Lab. b. in county
Ann Goodall 55 not b. in county
Jane Gooddall 15 b. in county

[peterd]

ron can you tell us exactlly how you link in to both sets of goodall or do you link in to one and presume you link into the other?

[ron555]

Firsty many thanks for all of your help.

I will be studying and checking it all with what I have already found.

peterd, that is a very good question, the answer to which I believe you will either find intriguing or likely to have you dismiss me as a bit mad.

Sorry to have been a while in replying but I think you will appreciate why I have taken a little time to word a reply

The reason that I am trying to link the two families is because I have met with a descendent of the Hampshire Goodalls via two incredible documented coincidences not connected with genealogy, which in my opinion defy chance, but which I will not go into at present.

I have also found one definite link between the Goodalls in the Birmingham area and my ancestors.

If I can find a link between the two sets of Goodalls, which incidentally because of the coincidences mentioned, I feel sure is there, then I will have discovered a third documented coincidence.

I am trying to get my findings published as they stand now, but obviously would be happier if I could complete this final coincidence.

I don't suppose that you have come across a motive for genealogical research like this before or even but I assure you that I am very serious.

Ron555

[peterd]

i think in saying it a serious subject for us all an problerly more for you if it involves a publication but you can see were limited with our options with out the Knowledge you possess if you can give use anymore detial without compromising your posistion it would help use to help you .

[ron555]

peterd,thanks again.
i am trying to work out the best thing to do, whilst struggling with pain from impacted wisdom tooth which makes even thinking difficult.
I will get back to you asap
Thanks also to others who I will also get back to
Ron555

[ron555]

hi peterd

Sorry for the delay in responding.

I will describe what I have as best as I can.

Many years ago I met someone who I was a descendent of

JOHN & JEMIMA GOODALL married 8 Aug 1836 in HAMPSHIRE

There are 2 extraordinary and connected geographical coincidences that link two of her cousins to myself and a close relative of mine.

The odds against the two coincidences being due to chance are enormous, because they are dependant upon each other, necessitating that the odds against each( which are very large anyway) be multiplied together.

This discovery on it's own was enough for me to believe that there was something unusual going on and when taken with the circumstances prior to our meeting, lead me to look for an explanation beyond the commonplace.

When I discovered that my Grandfather CHARLES ROBERT PHILLIPS aged 12, had lived next door to a family of GOODALLS in 1891, but in CHEAPSIDE BIRMINGHAM not HAMPSHIRE, I decided to see if it was possible to link the two families together and therebye establish some sort of link using genealogy between myself and the person that I had met.

This is all very odd I know but that is what I intend to do if possible.

Is any of this of any use?

Just one more thing, I also found another possible link between neighbours, but I now think it might be a red herring.

MARY ANN GOODALL 37 and CHARLES R PHILLIPS 31 ( Not my Grandfather) AT 83 & 85 respectively, Longmore Street, Kings Norton in 1871

His brother THOMAS PHILLIPS was a bedstead maker and Mary Ann's son John 17 was a bedstead castor which I thought might be a link.

Unfortunately, thanks to Gardener( you were right, thanks) I now know that Mary Ann married

WILLIAM GOODGER as all the children in the 1861 census check out with the 1871 census, so I guess that line of enquiry is kaput, as I suppose I will not be able to link GOODGER in BIRMINGHAM to GOODALL in HAMPSHIRE, or will I?



I also found the same as you did
extracted poss john

JOHN GUDDEL
Christening: 06 NOV 1814 Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire, England
Parents:
Mother: ANN GUDDEL

Which I believe is correct.

Ron555

[mallosa]

Ron, probably not connected but thought I'd throw in the pot anyway

1901: Aldershot Military in Stanhope and Wellington Lines
District Cambridge Hospital Hampshire

William Goodall age 19 Private RAM Corps born Birmingham, Warwickshire (Patient)