*TBC* Connection between Birmingham area & Hampshire?

[ron555]

Hi

I am trying to find a connection between a family in and around Birmingham and one of the same name in and around Newfound in Hampshire .
Does anyone know if there was a general movement of people to or from either of these areas at some time in the past?
I think that one of the wives in Hampshire was born in Alderminster which is on the way to Birmingham, but I am really struggling as I am well out of my depth.

Thanks

[peterd]

who are the families and what years are we on about ron ?

[Alec]

Hi Ron

Perhaps that was not Alderminster but Aldershot Hampshire wrongly transcribed
-also army & navy families traveled around and children were often born in different areas

[ron555]

Hi peterd & Alec

Alec it is almost definitely Alderminster.

HAMPSHIRE GOODALLS

I have a definite John (Newfound, Hampshire)& Jemima (Newfound)Goodall married 8 August 1836 in I think Wootton St Lawrence, Hampshire.

Their parents are I believe John Goodall(b. abt 1781 in Newfound) married Ann Taplin (b. Alderminster)in Dummer 1804 March 12th

BIRMINGHAM/WARWICKSHIRE GOODALLS

Very strangley there is a direct line of sight between Wootton St Lawrence, Alderminster and Cheapside in Birmingham where William, Catherine(nee Gower b.1817), Thomas, Mary C and William Goodall are registered in 1891 & I believe 1881.

I have traced these Goodalls back to Edward(b.1791 Astley Abbotts, Bridgnorth, Birmingham I think)married Phoebe Southwell (christened april 3rd 1791 St Leonards Bridgnorth) on March 18th 1813.

Also there is Mary Ann Goodall, 37 years old(widow)with sons John 17, William 15 & Joseph 13 at 83 Longmore St. Birmingham in 1871.

Either of these two Goodall families would fit the bill.

Frustratingly I cannot find any trace of Mary Ann Goodall anywhere else (nothing in 1861 census when she would have had her 3 sons and presumably married, although I realise that you can't presume anything, was Goodall her married name even?)
Neither can I find any trace of her 3 sons except possibly Joseph died 1911OND aged 54 in Birmingham. I have tried everything that I can think of but to no avail.

Sorry if the info is a bit scatty, I am a bit disorganised at times in my eagerness to find a connection.

Thanks

Ron555

[peterd]

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BIRMINGHAM/WARWICKSHIRE GOODALLS

Very strangley there is a direct line of sight between Wootton St Lawrence, Alderminster and Cheapside in Birmingham where William, Catherine(nee Gower b.1817), Thomas, Mary C and William Goodall are registered in 1891 & I believe 1881.

I have traced these Goodalls back to Edward(b.1791 Astley Abbotts, Bridgnorth, Birmingham I think)married Phoebe Southwell (christened april 3rd 1791 St Leonards Bridgnorth) on March 18th 1813.

Thanks

Ron555

1881 census

Cheapside No 346 House Birmingham, Warwick,

William GOODALL 61 Bridgenorth, Shropshire, Porter
Catherine GOODALL 64 Bridgenorth, , Shropshire,
Thomas GOODALL 26 Atcham, Shropshire, Provision Dealer
Mary C. GOODALL 24 Wolverhampton, Stafford, Paper Bag Maker
William GOODALL 6 Wolverhampton, Stafford, Scholar



poss william christening

WILLIAM GOODALL
Christening: 02 JAN 1820 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England

Father: EDWARD GOODALL
Mother: PHEBE


poss siblings for william parents edward and phoebe



MARY ANN GOODALL
Christening: 20 SEP 1826 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England

EDWARD GOODALE
Christening: 27 NOV 1823 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England

GEORGE GOODALL
Christening: 08 MAR 1830 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England

ELIZABETH GOODALL
Christening: 29 NOV 1817 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England

HENRY GOODALL
Christening: 29 AUG 1834 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

JOHN GOODALL
Christening: 23 SEP 1813 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

JOHN GOODALL
Christening: 09 JUL 1815 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

JOSIAH GOODALL
Christening: 08 MAR 1830 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

MARIANNE GOODALL
Christening: 08 NOV 1825 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

WILLIAM GOODALL
Christening: 02 JAN 1820 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

PHOEBE SOUTHWILL GOODALL
Christening: 24 DEC 1821 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,

[peterd]

poss edward and phoebe marriage

EDWARD GOODALL
PHOEBE SOUTHWELL
Marriage: 18 MAR 1813 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire,


anyone find edward and phoebe in early censuses poss bridgenorth

[ron555]

Hi peterd

Many thanks for all the information.

Something that I can't understand is why a widow with 3 children, eldest being 17, in the 1871 census doesn't show up in the 1861 census.

I looked for everyone individually in case they had been split up when her husband died, but to no avail.

[peterd]

Hi peterd

Many thanks for all the information.

Something that I can't understand is why a widow with 3 children, eldest being 17, in the 1871 census doesn't show up in the 1861 census.

I looked for everyone individually in case they had been split up when her husband died, but to no avail.

there is a possibility that catherine is a second wife and not mother to the kids ?

[mallosa]

1841: St Mary Street, St Leonard, Shropshire

Phebe Goodall 50 Hay Worker
William Goodall 20 Hay Worker
Mary Ann Goodall 15
Henry Goodall 7

and 2 doors away:

with Edward & Elizabeth Gwynn
Edward Goodall 15 Apprentice
all born in County

[peterd]

gywnn were basket makers

here edward

1881 census

23 Sandbeds Rd Clayton, York

Edward GOODALL 57 Bridgenorth, Shropshire, Cooper & Basket Maker
Ellen GOODALL 47 Stockport, Cheshire,
John GOODALL 22 Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, Basket Maker
Phebe GOODALL 20 Stockport, Cheshire, Worsted Weaver
William GOODALL 18 Stockport, Cheshire, Machine Wool(len) Comber
Charles GOODALL 14 Pudsey, York, Worsted Spinner
Mary Ann GOODALL 13 Pudsey, York, Worsted Spinner
Elizabeth GOODALL 9 Clayton, York, Scholar


poss marriage

Marriages Sep 1852

Bradshaw Ellen Stockport 8a 19a
GOODALL Edward Stockport 8a 19A

[peterd]

poss henry

1881 census

7 Salop Street Bridgnorth St Leonard, Shropshire

Henry GOODALL 46 Bridgnorth, Shropshire, Tailor
Eliza GOODALL 52 Culmington, Shropshire,

[mallosa]

Here's Henry in 1851

1851: Church Yard, Bridgnorth St Leonard

William Hughes 39
Ann Hughes 49
Thomas Hughes 13
Anne Hughes 6
Henry Goodall 16 U Tailors Ap

[mallosa]

Not sure if this would be of any use but gonna post it anyway

Marriages Jun 1850

BINGHAM John Elliot Alverstoke 7 49
Goodall Mary Ann Alverstoke 7 49
Kvasoff Dimitri Alverstoke 7 49
Leaf James Alverstoke 7 49
Rix Lucy Alverstoke 7 49
Rowlandson Ellen Alverstoke 7 49
Sheaf Aaron John Alverstoke 7 49
West Sophia Alverstoke 7 49

Alverstoke is in Hampshire..I think

[peterd]

this is the marriage

MARY ANN GOODALL
AARON JOHN SHEAF
Marriage: 07 APR 1850 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire,


now can we pick them up on census and hope she born bridgenorth

[mallosa]

No Pete..think we can rule that one out
Mary A was born Portsea, Hampshire