ARC TBC..........Bert Wilkinson

[peterd]

Yes thats the clives. So the mother is Ann, wonder what her maiden name is? Or is she a clive ? This gets so confusing. Glad you know what your doing. Your being a great help.

joseph, isiah. and edward there mother is mary

there a Ann in the 1881 census down as Mother

i found a christening for a mary about the right age mother Ann father frederic


can anyone find any census from 1881 backwards please

[grangers14]

Im going to move this over to the black country section
Jo

[grangers14]

1871. Reform Street, West Bromwich
Mary Clive, head, W, 40,
Thomas, son, 18,
Joseph, son, 9,
Caroline, daur, 7,
Josiah, son, 5,
Edward, son, 3
/Edith Paterson, visitor, mar, 29, Warwick
Sarah A, daur, 5,
Mary J, daur, 9 months
All others born West Bromwich

[kdw]

1841 Bullocks Road West Bromwich
Frederic Olive 35 Iron Mkaer NBIC
Ann Olive 30 BIC
Mary Olive 10 BIC
Catharine Olive 6 BIC
Rebeca Olive 3 MO BIC

1851 Moore Street West Bromwich
Frederick Clives Head Mar 46 Shingler of Iron Born Rewsbury
Ann Clives Wife Mar 44 Born West Bromwich
Mary Clives Daur 20 Screw Maker Born West Bromwich
Catharine Clives Daur 16 Screw Maker Born West Bromwich
Rebecca Clives Daur 9 Born West Bromwich
Joseph Clives Son 5 Scholar Born West Bromwich
Kezia Clives Daur 3 Scholar Born West Bromwich
Sarah Clives Daur 7 MO Born West Bromwich
Mary Clives Grand Daur 18 MO Born West Bromwich

1861 3 Smith Street West Bromwich
Frederik Olive Head Mar 56 Shingler Iron Born KInsbury
Ann Olive Wife Mar 54 Born West Bromwich
Joseph Olive Son 16 Forg Man Born West Bromwich
Reyiah Olive Daur 14 Born West Bromwich
Sarah Olive Daur 9 Scholar Born West Bromwich
Thomas Olive Son 8 Scholar Born West Bromwich


1861 Dudley Street West Bromwich
Mary Clive Head Unm 31 Factory Woman Born West Bromwich
Sarah Ann Clive Daur 1 Born West Bromwich

[grangers14]

??
1861. Dudley Street, West Bromwich
Maary Clive, head, Un, 31, factory woman
Sarah Ann, daur, 1
both born West Bromwich

I havent seen Thomas?

[kdw]

Doing google search for Frederick Clive West Bromwich came up with this
http://genforum.genealogy.com/clive/messages/11.html

[peterd]

??
1861. Dudley Street, West Bromwich
Maary Clive, head, Un, 31, factory woman
Sarah Ann, daur, 1
both born West Bromwich

I havent seen Thomas?

1861 3 Smith Street West Bromwich
Frederik Olive Head Mar 56 Shingler Iron Born KInsbury
Ann Olive Wife Mar 54 Born West Bromwich
Joseph Olive Son 16 Forg Man Born West Bromwich
Reyiah Olive Daur 14 Born West Bromwich
Sarah Olive Daur 9 Scholar Born West Bromwich
Thomas Olive Son 8 Scholar Born West Bromwich ?

1871. Reform Street, West Bromwich
Mary Clive, head, W, 40,
Thomas, son, 18,
Joseph, son, 9,
Caroline, daur, 7,
Josiah, son, 5,
Edward, son, 3
/Edith Paterson, visitor, mar, 29, Warwick
Sarah A, daur, 5,
Mary J, daur, 9 months
All others born West Bromwich

1881; 12 Messenger Lane, West Bromwich, Stafford


Mary CLIVE Head U 50 West Bromwich Laundress
Joseph CLIVE 19 West Bromwich (Iron) Holloware Turner
Isiah CLIVE 15 West Bromwich Box Iron Fitter
Edward CLIVE 13 West Bromwich Spring Maker
Ann CLIVE Mother W 77 West Bromwich Disabled
Isiah TIMMINS Boarder M 68 West Bromwich Disabled

[peterd]

Doing google search for Frederick Clive West Bromwich came up with this
http://genforum.genealogy.com/clive/messages/11.html

manage to track down an email for the poster Stefan clive ive sent him an email with a link to the topic, see if he gets back to us

[SKINNERUK]

I wonder if my moms side of the clives is a decendant of clive of india. Robert Clive, 1st Baron Clive, KB (29 September 1725 "“ 22 November 1774), also known as Clive of India. But interesting if they was. Thanks for all your help....

[peterd]

I wonder if my moms side of the clives is a decendant of clive of india. Robert Clive, 1st Baron Clive, KB (29 September 1725 "“ 22 November 1774), also known as Clive of India. But interesting if they was. Thanks for all your help....

you might be correct there as i have had this reply

Hi Pete, Thanks for your email, definitely keen to help, at work at the moment, So can't concentrate on the genealogy, so probably won't join up the message boards for the next few days,
At a glance most of the census returns are correct, These Clive's descend from George Clive and Lydia Harper, Our Clive's were mainly gun barrel makers (also gun makers) in Birmingham, only possible connection so far that I have found to Robert Clive (Clive of Plassey/India) is through a marriage, so no direct decent there. Still looking though, haha
I have found no marriage for Mary Clive b. abt 1831, I descend from Isaiah Clive (her son, Birth registered under Timmins not Clive), his father was Isaiah Timmins, ( mary's partner see 1881 Census), I believe he is the father of Edward and Caroline Clive as well as their middle names are Timmins, not sure on the other children, Edith Pattinson (see census) is a daughter of Isaiah Timmins from his first marriage

I have no problem elaborating on this family, it was a tough nut to crack

Keen to learn who the original poster's mother was, and decent from Mary Clive, to see if she is in my tree, realise they may not wish to post online so maybe you can pass on my email address to them?, I have no problem with you putting this info on the message board hopefully will post myself in the next few days

Cheers
Stefan Clive

skinner sending you stefan email in a PM

[SKINNERUK]

Thanks alot ive sent him an email with my tree details so see what he says. This could become intersting.

[SKINNERUK]

MGot a reply from stefan got some more information for the clives. Going back to Bert Wilkinson i found this doing a google search on ww2 (Wilkinson, Bert (private), No. 3402, 42nd Battalion ; mother, Mrs. J. F. Wilkinson, No. 300 Alma-street.) tried looking for a J F Wilkinson cant find anything as yet but could be of interest.

cant find nothing on a J.F Wikinson.

[SKINNERUK]

Think ive found some more info on Bert Wilkinson. I believe his father was called Joseph Wilkinson who married a Emily Hunt on 1894 at Holy Trinity church West Bromwich. Josephs father was called Joseph Wilkinson who married a Mary Ann Turton at St Martins, Tipton Joseph was born in 1826 and died around 1891-1901. Mary was born in 1827 and died 1901. They have 9 children. louisa, Thomas, George, William, Samuel, Sarah, Alfred, Frederick and Joseph.

Not sure if this is 100% accurate.

Any ideas????

Thanks.

[Jimmy]

1901. 70 Glover St, West Bromwich, Staffordshire.
Joseph Wilkinson 29. Brick layers labourer.
Emily Wilkinson 33. Langley, Worcestershire.
Joseph Wilkinson 6. Son.
Bert Wilkinson 2. Son.
Mary Wilkinson 73. Mother. Widow. Living on own means.

Others born West Bromwich, Staffordshire.

[Jimmy]

Looks like Joseph senior is down as John, on image.

1891. 76. Neal St, West Bromwich, Staffordshire.
John Wilkinson 59. General labourer.
Mary A Wilkinson 62.
Fredk Wilkinson 20.
Joseph Wilkinson 17. Sawyer.

All born born West Bromwich, Staffordshire.

1881. 13 Glover St, West Bromwich, Staffordshire.
Joseph WILKINSON Head M Male 54 Darlaston, Stafford, England Labourer
Mary Ann WILKINSON Wife M Female 53 W Bromwich, Stafford, England
Sarah WILKINSON Dau U Female 18 W Bromwich, Stafford, England Factory Girl (Bolt)
Alfred WILKINSON Son U Male 16 W Bromwich, Stafford, England Working In (I) Foundry
Frederick WILKINSON Son U Male 11 W Bromwich, Stafford, England Scholar
Joseph WILKINSON Son U Male 6 W Bromwich, Stafford, England Scholar

Deaths Jun 1894.
Wilkinson Joseph. 69. W. Bromwich. 6b. 452.