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Re: Smout or Smart?

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Antie Em wrote:Love it when a plan comes together :P

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The Mary Smart that marries John northall must be a different family
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =238996957

we still have this mystery of Martha though why is she a Northall?
why is Susannah mother in law

very odd
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Am I looking at it wrong -

Martha Smart married John Northall - so in 1851 if Susannah is living with them she would be Susannah Smart
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Antie Em wrote:Am I looking at it wrong -

Martha Smart married John Northall - so in 1851 if Susannah is living with them she would be Susannah Smart


1851 Eel Street,Oldbury
Martha Northall head 28 charwoman b.Manchester,Lancs
William Northall son 9 b.Salop
George Northall son 7 b.Salop
John Northall son 2 b.Oldbury
Susannah Smart motherinlaw widow 58 pauper b.Madely wood,Salop
Charles Smart son of motherinlaw Coalminer b.Dudleym,worc's

she is Susannah smart mother in law...this may mean step mother

we dont know that the Mary Smart that married John Northall is anything to do with this family
do we
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Re: Smout or Smart?

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this answers it look up done

Martha Northall that marries John Fellows is a spinster

so the Mary Smart diff family..........or is it..

Cos interestingly John Smout father is a miller just like John Smart

So unless for some reason Martha married John Northall as a Mary Smart.....puts father John Smart Miller.........for reasons unk
he dies or runs off
and she marries as a spinster to John Fellows

on "1st" marriage to John Northall what does her occup say?
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looks like inmate to me

curiouser and curiouser :?

I'm going back to making wedding dresses now - far less complicated :-)
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I think they may be same one

we could do with father for Marthas kids
any bapts
or birth regis for them
might have to send for one

if father is John Northall then we connect up
or we connect with a note

I think she married John Northall as Mary for some reason
then left him
or he died
and she marries as a spinster and Martha

can someone post the births pls
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here is martha
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=10096962

6 Feb 1853 St Edmunds Dudley
John Followes 25 bach miner Dudley Richard Followes miner
Martha Northall 29 spinster Dudley John Smout Miller
banns
X both
Wit- X Charles Smout /X Sarah Lyat?
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Just to complicate matters even further - two trees on Ancestry have John Smout - Stephen's father, marrying Susannah Northall in 1810 - Madeley in Shropshire
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Re: Smout or Smart?

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Didn't i say it was complicated? Thanks anyway for all the info which i already had but couldn't fathom it out.
There was also a John Northall in prison sometime around 1850.
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poss death...1848 NORTHALL John Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/6/57
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need births for Marthas kids and poss marriages

see who they put for father
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William Northall Smout married Emma Lowe i think
1869 St Giles Rowley Regis 18/4/103
Smout William N Lowe Emma


People in Eel Street in 1851
Mary Northall Head Widow 60 Pauper Born Madeley Salop
George Northall Son Widower 26 Stone MIner Born Madeley Salop
Enoch Northall Son Unm 13 Iron Works Forge Born Madeley Salop
Next Door
Martha Northall Widow 28 charwoman born Manchester
William Northall Son 9 born Salop
George Northall Son 7 Born Salop
John Northall Son 2 Born Oldbury
Susannah Smout Mother in Law widow 58 pauper Born MadelyWood Salop
Charles Smout Son of Mother in Law 26 Coal Miner Born Dudley

Next Door
Richard Fallows Head Mar 50 Coal Miner Born Pensuck Worcs
Nancy Fallows Wife Mar 49 Born Dudley
John Fallows Son Unm 23 Coal MInewr Born Oldbury
Hannah Fallows Daur Unm 19 Home Born Oldbury
Thomas Fallows Son 15 Coal Miner Born Oldbury
Susan Fallows Daur 12 M Brickyard Born Oldbury
Ann Fallows Daur 10 M Brickyard Born Oldbury
Sarah Fallows Daur 7 M Brickyard Born Oldbury
Edward Fallows Son 3 Home Born Oldbury
William Fallows Son 1 Born Oldbury
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That must be it then - Martha was a widow not a spinster when she married John Followes.
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1871 Holy Trinity Smethwick 1/2/95
Northall George Parkes Adelaide L

1872 St Giles Rowley Regis 18/4/338
John Northall Ellen Hadley
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Just got the marriage for Stephen Smout who married Sarah Carr - parents of Margaret Smout

His father is also a millman, but he is Charles.

4 April 1847 - St Thomas, Dudley
Stephen Smout, Min, B, Miner, of Dudley, Father Charles Smout, Millman
Sarah Carr, Min, S, of Dudley, Father Thomas Carr, Miner
Wit : Joseph Hill and Joseph Brecknell

Can't see anything on IGI
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