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Can someone explain this pls.....confused

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I have 2 Joseph Bakers

One is a Coal miner
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=22635060

one is a Butcher
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =611179333

Now on the 1861 the coal miner is with Matilda unknown

1861. Slack Hillock, Rowley Regis
BAKER, Joseph Head Married M 44 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Wife Married F 43 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BAKER, Anne Daughter Unmarried F 20 Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Joseph Son M 13 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Isaiah Son M 11 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Daughter F 6 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, John Son M 4 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire

Butcher is in Blackheath still with wife Louisa

I know they are different families cos I have them both on 1851 and 1861

coal miner........

1851 Dudley Road Kingswinford
Joseph Baker h m 32 Coal miner Staffs Tipton
Hannah Baker wife m 31 Sedgley
Catherine Baker dau 11
Ann Baker dau 9
Julia Baker dau 7
Sarah Baker dau 6
Joseph Baker son 3
Isaiah Baker son 1
all others born Kingswinford

and

Butcher...

1851 Census Blackheath Rowley Regis
Joseph Baker head mar 40 Butcher b Rowley Regis
Louisa Baker wife mar 35 Kingswinford Staffs.
Meriah Baker dau unm 10 b Rowley Regis
Henry Baker son 8 b Rowley Regis
William Baker son 5 b Rowley Regis
Joseph Baker son 3 b Rowley Regis


now my query is how can this be the marriage for the coal miner to Matilda
when on the marriage it says occup butcher
marriage in 1851 and he is full age bach!

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Re: Can someone explain this pls.....confused

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Marriage

10 Nov 1851 St Thomas Dudley<br>
Joseph Baker of full age bach Butcher Dudley Joseph Baker Butcher<br>
Matilda Marston of full age spinster Dudley William Marston Blacksmith<br>
banns<br>
both signed<br>
Wit- Reuben ?/ Elizabeth Timmins

it must be for this one

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=22635060

unless anyone can offer a suggestion
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Joseph Baker the butcher was still married to Louisa in 1891, so there must of been 2 Josepg Bakers's who were butchers,

1891 Oldbury Road Rowley Regis
Joseph Baker 82 H M Retired Butcher
Louisa Baker 74 W M

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1871 Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
Joseph Baker 62 H M Butcher
Louisa Baker 55 W M
Louisa Baker 19 dau Assisant in shop
Thomas Baker 14 son scholar
Lizzie Baker 12 dau scholar


1881 Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
Joseph Baker 72 H M Butcher
Louisa Baker 64 W M
Elizabeth Bunn 23 Dau

This is the Another Joseph Barker who was a Butcher
1841 Blackheath
Joseph Baker 30 Butcher
Lewesa Baker 20
Mira Baker 8 MO

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Annie this one is the one that is married louisa here...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =451141453

they have Mira /Meriah on 1841 and 1851
Louisa is mispelt

I think it is an error on certif
should say wid
and shouldnt say butcher :?
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1881 Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
Joseph Baker 72 H M Butcher
Louisa Baker 64 W M
Elizabeth Bunn 23 Dau

This looks like Elizabeths Wedding but can't put for lookup they got marr in a Register Office


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1879
BAKER Elizabeth BUNN Jacob
West Bromwich Register Office
Sandwell Register Office WBRO/12/66


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Ignore me :P
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It must be this one

1861. Slack Hillock, Rowley Regis
BAKER, Joseph Head Married M 44 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Wife Married F 43 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BAKER, Anne Daughter Unmarried F 20 Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Joseph Son M 13 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Isaiah Son M 11 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Daughter F 6 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, John Son M 4 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire


and it must be just mistranscribed on certif

his first wife Hannah must die betw 51 and 61
and he marries Matilda

I could send for one of the kids either Matilda or JOhn is there a birth?
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Births Jun 1855
Baker Matilda W. Bromwich 6b 641

Births Sep 1855
Baker Matilda Wellington Sh 5c 349
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thanks

can we find this lot on the 1871 pls

where are the younger kids?

1861. Slack Hillock, Rowley Regis
BAKER, Joseph Head Married M 44 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Wife Married F 43 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BAKER, Anne Daughter Unmarried F 20 Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Joseph Son M 13 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Isaiah Son M 11 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Daughter F 6 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, John Son M 4 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire
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As yet I can only see this Matilda.

1871. Wrights Lane, Rowley Regis.
John Owen 32.
Sarah Owen 29.
Ann E Owen 5.
Florena Owen 1.
Matilda Baker 54. Visitor. Mar. Rowley Regis.
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1871. Normanton, Yorkshire.
Ulysses Crandall 29.
Elizth Crandall 20.
Joseph Baker 54. Lodger. Miner. Staffordshire.
Sarah Baker 20. Lodger. Miner. Staffordshire. Isaiah on image.
John Baker 14. Lodger. Miner. Staffordshire.
George Rimahaw 28.
John Clarke 21.
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1881.
Joseph BAKER Head M Male 64 Rowley, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Matilda BAKER Wife M Female 63 Rowley, Stafford, England

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thanks Jimmy
so he is all thru a coal miner

why is that marriage saying Butcher and not a wid?
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Northern Lass wrote:1861. Slack Hillock, Rowley Regis
BAKER, Joseph Head Married M 44 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Wife Married F 43 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BAKER, Anne Daughter Unmarried F 20 Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Joseph Son M 13 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Isaiah Son M 11 Coal Miner Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, Matilda Daughter F 6 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire
BAKER, John Son M 4 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire


This gets more confusing

I was going to get this birth certif but wanted just to check before I sent so I sent this
to the Regis office....

I only want to order it if the mother is Matilda Marston
or similar name.
Births Jun 1855
Baker Matilda W. Bromwich 6b 641
Father should be Joseph Baker too

the lovely folk at regis office sent me this....

Thank you for your email regarding the birth certificate for Matilda Baker.
Unfortunately we could only find one Matilda and neither of her parents matched the details provided.
My colleagues in the search team have also done a search a few years either side of 1855 and no other traces could be found.
Sorry to provide you with disappointing information, but I ultimately hope you find the entry you require as you continue your research

so where is that Matilda who is on the 1861?
is she regis under another name

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