Bert Johnson and father Philip and family

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I have found Bertie :-

1881 Census Cradley Forge Cradley Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Phillip Johnson Head 30 Puddler born Cradley Worcs.
Jane Johnson wife 28 born Quarry Bank Staffs.
George Johnson son 1 born Cradley Worcs.

1891 Census Cradley Forge Cradley Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Benjamin Williams Head 48 Iron Roller norn Netherend Worcs.
Jane Williams wife 39
Samuel Williams son 20 Iron Worker
Carry Williams dau 13 Scholar
Walter Williams son 10 Scholar
George Johnson step.son 11 Scholar born Cradley Worcs.
Joseph Johnson step.son 6 Scholar born Cradley Worcs.
Bertie Johnson step.son 4 born Cradley Worcs.
Edith Johnson step.dau 7 Scholar born Cradley Worcs.
James Williams son 6 Rest born Quarry Bank Staffs.

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1872.
JOHNSON Philip. BEASLEY Jane. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/029/405.

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1889.
JOHNSON Jane. WILLIAMS Benjamin. Cradley, St Peter. Dudley Register Office. 013/002/44.

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1887.
JOHNSON Philip. Halesowen. Dudley Register Office. HAL/026/151.

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Thanks Jimmy
There are two possible Benjamin Williams born 1843 on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =958982659

Should be able to see which one by children before second marriage to Jane

[Northern Lass]

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =827133067

1911 Census Cradley Forge Cradley Heath Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Isaac Robins Head 68 Miner Hewer born Lye Worcs.
Elizabeth Robins wife 71 born Quarry Bank Staffs.
Married 32 years, 3 children ,1 Living
Bert Johnson grd.son (m) 24 Furnace Stoker born Cradley Worcs.
Blanche Johnson grd.dau (M)20 born Quarry Bank Staffs.
grd.dau 10 born Quarry Bank Staffs.
married 1 Year, 1 child
Nancy Johnson Gt.Grd.dau 1 born Cradley Worcs.

[Northern Lass]

Marriage info for Bert

21 December 1909 St Peter Cradley
Bert Johnson 23 bach Labourer Cradley Forge Philip Johnson deceased puddler
Blanche Saunders 19 spinster Cradley Forge George Saunders deceased rivet maker
banns
both signed
Wit - Jane Williams / Elizabeth Cartwright


so Jane signed

Do you want me to add this Mumbles?

[Northern Lass]

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1887.
JOHNSON Philip. Halesowen. Dudley Register Office. HAL/026/151.

Deaths Mar 1887
Johnson Philip 36 Stourbridge 6c 87

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May be neither of these two Benjamins but eliminated one married to Drusilla
1871 Census Bridge Street Kingswinford Stourbridge Worcs.
Benjamin Williams Head 27 Iron Roller born Cradley Worcs.
Catherine Williams wife 27 born Langley Green Staffs.
Lizzie Williams dau 2 born Kingswinford Staffs.
Samuel Williams son 1mth born Kingswinford Staffs.
Jane Hill dau 62 (wid) General Servant born Stourbridge Worcs.

1881 Census Sheffield Street Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Benjamin Williams Head 28 Mill Roller born Croley Worcs.
Catherine Williams wife 36
Elizabeth Williams dau 12
Samuel Williams son 10
Annie Williams dau 8
Alice Williams dau 5
Carie Williams dau 2
All children Scholars
Rest born Quarry Bank Staffs.

Note Benjamins age on 1881 is wrong and Jane Hill is noted as daughter but is 62

[Northern Lass]

May be neither of these two Benjamins but eliminated one married to Drusilla
1871 Census Bridge Street Kingswinford Stourbridge Worcs.
Benjamin Williams Head 27 Iron Roller born Cradley Worcs.
Catherine Williams wife 27 born Langley Green Staffs.
Lizzie Williams dau 2 born Kingswinford Staffs.
Samuel Williams son 1mth born Kingswinford Staffs.
Jane Hill dau 62 (wid) General Servant born Stourbridge Worcs.

1881 Census Sheffield Street Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Benjamin Williams Head 28 Mill Roller born Croley Worcs.
Catherine Williams wife 36
Elizabeth Williams dau 12
Samuel Williams son 10
Annie Williams dau 8
Alice Williams dau 5
Carie Williams dau 2
All children Scholars
Rest born Quarry Bank Staffs.

Note Benjamins age on 1881 is wrong and Jane Hill is noted as daughter but is 62

looks good for Benjamin

1891 Census Cradley Forge Cradley Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Benjamin Williams Head 48 Iron Roller norn Netherend Worcs.
Jane Williams wife 39
Samuel Williams son 20 Iron Worker
Carry Williams dau 13 Scholar
Walter Williams son 10 Scholar
George Johnson step.son 11 Scholar born Cradley Worcs.
Joseph Johnson step.son 6 Scholar born Cradley Worcs.
Bertie Johnson step.son 4 born Cradley Worcs.
Edith Johnson step.dau 7 Scholar born Cradley Worcs.
James Williams son 6 Rest born Quarry Bank Staffs.

1867 WILLIAMS Benjamin PRINCE Catherine West Bromwich Register Office Sandwell Register Office WBRO/8/36

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Could be this Benjamin Williams as other one eliminated as he married a Drusilla

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =370054981

[Northern Lass]

Could be this Benjamin Williams as other one eliminated as he married a Drusilla

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =370054981

I think it is that one
look at names of his sibs
walter Caroline

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =913856114

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1861 Census Nether End Cradley Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Eliza Williams Head (wid) 46
Caroline Williams dau 20
Benjamin Williams son 18 Mill Man
James Williams son 15 Mill Man
Charles Williams son 10 Scholar
Samuel R. Williams son 2 born Lye Worcs.
Lucy Deeley niece 10 Scholar born Cradley Staffs.
William Deeley father 68 born Cradley Staffs.

Note Benjamin is a Mill Man which ties up with occupation later and in one later Census is noted as born Nether End Worcs.

[Northern Lass]

sent you an email

Father is Benjamin Williams decd by marriage to Jane in 1889

looks good to connect up
let me know what you need help adding

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Complete Nl all added