FINDING SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN MURDERED

[collins.sharon]

Hi there

Can you help please? we are doing our family tree and trying to track our jewish roots. My Nans Grandad was Jewish but didnt have a jewish name. His dad was murdered and we think his wife must have remarried to a Bailey so the children then adopted that name. We are hoping to find the fathers name a marriage certificate, we could ask for a birth certificate but we are quite sure he didnt have that birth name, so perhaps when he married it would have had his fathers name on the marriage certificate. His Name is Mark Bailey and his father was murdered.

This is the information I have off my mother - can you advise the best course of action please any help appreciated

Sharon C

Mark(bailey) ? father was murdered (Surname unknown) we know that he was a jeweller
Story as told by Gt. Grand mother .London coach got off at the Station inn Open Gates? and walked home
body found 6/12 month later on . 2 men came up on charges But his name Still a mystery
Open gates played a big part in the Bailey lives
1911 census had Mark ( 1857)? and Jane (1860) living at Old Park,Dawley
Farm/mines
living there with 7 children + 2 g.children have copy of cenus and agree all names

[gardener]

Hi
How tragic!
There is a family in the 1881 census here http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... census.asp

Mark Bailey 28 born Dawley ironstone miner
Jane ditto wife 23 born Wombridge
Wm Henry Bailey son 1 born Wombridge

Is that them?
If so then this marriage looks likely

March qtr 1878
Mark Bailey and either Jane Cope or Elizabeth Moore Wellington district 6a 1091

(The marriage indexes have two couples on each page, see http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl )

There is a good chance that the marriage certificate would have Mark's father's name on it, though you can never be sure

The step-by-step way to go would be to get the 1901, 1891 and 1881 census. Then if you think you have the right marriage you would need to buy it and see if it has his father's name on it.

Perhaps someone will oblige with the 1901 census? Oh, and the 1911 should say how long Mark and Jane were married.

[gardener]

Hah! I got lucky

Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)
Zusman Barnatt 48 Madeley 6a 433

Newpaper report here names him
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Tl ... ates&hl=en

I saw somewhere else that Oakengates is locally propounced Open Gates

So that is the Jewish jeweller bit, I did not make any head way with his wife or family.

[gardener]

But here is his burial (bottom of page)

http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/betholomrowcemetery.php

[gardener]

Mentioned here
http://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photogra ... -brothers/
Still no family


Reported here

THE MURDER OF BERNARD ZUSMAN
Birmingham Daily Post (Birmingham, England),
Monday, January 13, 1868; Issue 2957. (1913 words)

(access via Times Online which i don't have)

[Northern Lass]

moved to gen discussion

[Jimmy]

1901. Old Park, Dawley.
Mary Bailey 50. Coal miner Hewer. Old Park, Shropshire. Mark on image.
Jane Bailey 41. Ketley Bank, Shropshire.
W H Bailey 22. Son. Ketley Bank, Shropshire.
Nooh Bailey 19. Son. Ketley Bank, Shropshire.
Albert Bailey 14. Son. Ketley Bank, Shropshire.
Elizth Bailey 10. Dau. Shifnal, Shropshire.
Bertie Bailey 8. Son. Ketley Bank, Shropshire.
Henery Bailey 5. Son. Old Park, Shropshire.
Ethel Mary Bailey 3. Day. Old Park, Shropshire.
Richard Williams 29. Boarder. Ketley Bank, Shropshire.

[Jimmy]

1861. Old Park, Dawley.
Benjamine Bailey 45. Stone miner.
William Bailey 22.
Joseph Bailey 21.
Naish Bailey 20.
Emma Bailey 16.
Mary Bailey 13.
Henry Bailey 12.
Mark Bailey 7. Son.
Luzzie Bailey 7.
Kerriah Bailey 6.
Eliza Bailey 5.

All born Dawley.

1871. Old Park, Dawley.
Benjamin Bailey 55. Coal miner.
William Bailey 30.
Joseph Bailey 30.
Henry Bailey 20.
Mark Bailey 16. Son.
Elizabeth Bailey 16.
Kezia Bailey 14.
Eliza Bailey 12.
Mary Bailey 23.
Eliza Bailey 1 Month. Illegitimate.
Emma Bailey 26.
Zilla Bailey 4.
Neal Bailey 2.

[Jimmy]

Reported here

THE MURDER OF BERNARD ZUSMAN
Birmingham Daily Post (Birmingham, England),
Monday, January 13, 1868; Issue 2957. (1913 words)

(access via Times Online which i don't have)

I have read the articles in the Times about 5, no mention of a wife or family.

[gardener]

Thanks Jimmy

Then i don't see any connection And those census lists don't show any name change. Very puzzling!

[Jimmy]

Is age is a erratic,

Mark Bailey.
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Nov 1851.
Baptism/Christening Place: Malinslee, Shropshire.
Father's Name: Benjamin Bailey.
Mother's Name: Eliza.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02024-4.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1702084.

[Jimmy]

One of the articles in the Times do'es refer to the widow of Zusman coming up from London.

[gardener]

Does it fit the story otherwise, Jimmy? As in the body found months later.
Surely there weren't two Jewish jeweller's murdered in that part of Shropshire?

[Jimmy]

I havn't read it all through but I take it he was murdered on Nov 15. 1867, and the trial started in Jube 1868, so this burial in June 1867 can't be right.

But here is his burial (bottom of page)

http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/betholomrowcemetery.php

But this one fits,
Deaths Mar 1868.
Zusman Barnatt. 48. Madeley. 6a. 433.

[Jimmy]

This is the only Zusman marriage I can see,

Marriages Sep 1869.
LEWICKI Michael London C. 1c 193.
LUBLIUSKI Miriam Cohen London C 1c 193.
Rose Harris London City 1c 193.
Zussman Hannah London City 1c 193.

I have found the other two in 1871, but not Hannah and Michal. Michal on image.