ARC TBC...............Edward Billingham

[Northern Lass]

missed this brother Edward

1861 Census Darby & Pargeters Colliery Foxbald Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Bellingham Head 54 Chain Maker born Kingswinford Staffs.
Kitty Bellingham wife 45
Harriett Bellingham dau 20 Dressmaker born Rowley Regis
Jabery Bellingham son 18 Chain Maker born Rowley Regis
Edward Bellingham brother (wid) 46 Chain Maker
James Vanshom Apprentice Chain Maker 15
Nancy Barnsley mother.in.law 88 born Rowley Regis
Rest born Kingswinford Staffs. Staffordshire

now does that help place Joseph that marries Kitty and louise

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =885215997

[mumbles]

BILLINGHAM Edward FIELD Mary Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/001/303 1839
1841 Census 5 ways Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Edward Billingham 27 Chain Maker
Mary Ann Billingham 30
Ann Miriah Billingham 1
All born Staffs.

1851 Census Cradley Heath Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Edward Billingham Head 35 Chain Maker bortn Kingswinford Staffs.
Mary Ann Billingham 38
Maria Billingham dau 10 Scholar
Sophia Billingham dau 6 Scholar
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.
same House
John Perks Head 29 Chain Maker born Rowley Regis Staffs.
Mary Ann Perks wife 26 born Oldswinford Worcs.

[Northern Lass]

EDWARD BILLINGHAM
Birth: 23 APR 1815

Christening: 07 AUG 1836 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BILLINGHAM Mother: ANN
Extracted


the James must be incorrect on marriage

Wits are Thomas Billingham and Rosannah is there a marriage or bapt for them pls

[mumbles]

Children of Edward and Mary Ann Billingham were living with grandparents in 1861


1841 Census Club Buildings Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
James Edmonds 45 Nailer
Hannah Edmonds 45
Nancy Edmonds 20
Hannah Edmonds 15
Sophia Edmonds 15
Phebe Edmonds 10
William Edmonds 7
James Billingham 2
All born Staffs.

1851 Census Cradley Heath Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
James H. Edmonds Head 57 Retired Nail Maker
Hannah Edmonds wife 60
Phoebe Edmonds dau 21
James H. Edmonds grd.son 13 Forge Labourer
All born Rowley Regis Staffs

1861 Census Surfeit Hill Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
James H. Edmonds Head 67 Farmer 4 Acres
Hannah Edmonds wife 70
Phobe Edmonds dau 30 Nail Maker
James Billingham grd.son 20 (U) Pudler
Sophia Billingham grd.dau 16 (U) Chain Maker
All born Rowley Regis Staffs

[Northern Lass]

So we have a query dont we

we know Joseph Billingham has father Joseph
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =237883938

and we know that because of look up

but on census it says brother is Edward

but Edward has a father James
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =986517927


we need that James info census and marriage adding if poss or I will try and do it

On the marriage is a query on Mary which needs to be the subject of a new thread.
So keeping this for the Billinghams

Who is the Thomas and Rosannah Billingham wits.

maybe Edward and Joseph are not bros but cousins.

Do we think that that edward married to Mary Field is the one with father James on Bcc?
fathers name good
area good
dob good

[mumbles]

Nl , I think that Edward son of James is right one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =338876508
and Edward Brother of Joseph is probably same one as widow in 1861 and is as you note a cousin not a brother
I will connect and add marriage

[Northern Lass]

thanks Mumbles that will be great if you can do the honours

I hate doing these Billinghams

[mumbles]

28th March ? 1839 Edward Billingham Full Bachelor Nailer of Lye Waste father James Billingham Nailer
Mary Field Full Spinster Nailer of Lye Waste father Reported as John Haddock Glazier
Witnesses Thomas and Rosanna Billingham

Note father of Mary Field as James Haddock Glazier

1841 Census Barnett Lane Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
James Haddock 50 Glazier
Mary Glazier 60
Elizabeth Lawley 20
All born Staffs.

[gardener]

I hate doing these Billinghams

Right there with you NL!

On here http://billingham.freehostia.com/Gary%20Billingham.htm it has:

"Joseph Billingham

May have been the son of Gideon and Lucy nee Bagnall married 1776.

Born 1779 Married Anne Edwards 21-5-1799.Old Swinsford.

Also on this day Sylvia Billingham married John Edwards.At Old Swinford.

Witness for both marriages, Thomas and Sarah Elisabeth Was this a double Marriage?

**************

Joseph and Anne Billinghams 8 Children.

James born 1800 Died 1800.

Lucy born 1801 died 1805.

Joseph Edward born 1804 died 1805.

James born 1805. Married. 1-9-1826 at kingswinford.To Mary Shaw.

Joseph born 1807-1876. Married Kitty Barnsley born 1807-1863

This is the Joseph who founded the Cradley chainmaking company Joseph Billingham Ltd

Lucy born 1809.

Edward born 1816-1869.Married 24-4-1836. At Oldswinford. To Mary Ann Edmunds born 1823. Marriage witness John Billingham.Who was this John Billingham? Could it have been Grandfather?"

So I think there might be two Edward Billinghams.
1) Married Mary Ann Edmunds (father Joseph). This would be the one widowed and living with Joseph and Kitty
2) Married Mary Field (father James).

How does that sound? Can we test it?

[gardener]

Edward Billingham born 23rd Apr 1815 bapt 7th Aug 1836 Halesowen, parents Joseph and Ann (extracted)*
Edward Billingham bpt 17th apr 1814 Park Lane, Presb,Cradley , parents James and Sarah (extracted)

* Transcript says Edward Billingham Kingswinford, Trace maker, said to be born Aptril 23rd 1815, parents Joseph and Ann.

[gardener]

And probably this Joseph http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ham-Family is the same as this one http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ham-Family
In Gary's stuff it has Joseph marrying Ann Edwards same day/place as Sylvia marries John Edwards (siblings, possibly marrying siblings)

[Northern Lass]

So the Joseph married to Kitty
has a brother Edward who marries as you say.....

"Edward born 1816-1869.Married 24-4-1836. At Oldswinford. To Mary Ann Edmunds born 1823. Marriage witness John Billingham.Who was this John Billingham? Could it have been Grandfather?"

So I think there might be two Edward Billinghams.
1) Married Mary Ann Edmunds (father Joseph). This would be the one widowed and living with Joseph and Kitty
2) Married Mary Field (father James).

How does that sound? Can we test it?"


I think that sounds good

[mumbles]

So Nl we must disconnect Mary Field and marriage to Edward Billingham as the one we have definitely married Mary Ann Edmunds and connects to Edmunds as grandchildren staying with Edmunds tie up ( I have added Edmunds)

[Northern Lass]

So Nl we must disconnect Mary Field and marriage to Edward Billingham as the one we have definitely married Mary Ann Edmunds and connects to Edmunds as grandchildren staying with Edmunds tie up ( I have added Edmunds)

I dont think that is right Mumbles
or I have misunderstood

this one here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =908415290

marries Mary Field has father James
so that is ok

the other Edward marries Edmunds and is bro to Joseph

is that correct?

[mumbles]

No Nl we have Edward married to Mary Field with wrong Census details as they are for one who Married Mary Ann Edmunds
Only problem with it is that on Billingham Records by Gary Billingham she is shown as born 1823 but on Census Records is shown as born 1811/1813 . As noted before the link to Edmunds family is that children James Billingham and Sophia are living with Edmunds family in 1841(Jame) and 1861 ( James and Sophia)