ARC----An Oldswinford Mobberley DownUnder

[Bensonsgirl]

Greetings, Everyone. I'm a newbie to this forum, but quite excited by it all.

I have been researching my husband's family tree and came upon the Black Country Connections website. What an amazing effort that is! It was very helpful and reaffirmed that I was on the right track. Thank you!

This MOBBERLEY family line has descended from Raphe MOBBERLEY (born 1570) in Oldswinford. Our early lineage is as follows: John MOBBERLEY (1648)m. to Dorothie HILL - William MOBBERLEY (1683)m. to Sarah SKELDING - William MOBBERLEY (1710) m. to Hannah LANE - William MOBBERLEY (1738) m. to Ann FOLEY- Thomas MOBBERLEY (1776) m. to Elizabeth ROUND - Thomas MOBBERLEY (1815) m. to Ann RUSHTON.


When I follow the family line down to the 1800's things start to diverge and get interesting, and since this information is missing from BBC, I thought I'd pass it on for your confirmation.

Thomas MOBBERLEY (b.1815, Amblecote) married Ann RUSHTON (b.1814, Ashwood) on June 6th, 1835 at Oldswinford. Their firstborn son, Samuel Rushton MOBBERLEY (b. 1836 in Kingswinford) married Elizabeth Ann NEALE (Neil?) on March 1st, 1857 at Stourbridge (possible registry wedding).

They emigrated to Auckland, New Zealand sometime after their son John Waltho MOBBERLEY was born at Stamber Mill, Oldswinford, on August 9th, 1858 and baptised at Oldswinford on April 27th, 1859. They are not located in the 1861 UK census, and their next son Samuel was born April 8th, 1863 in Auckland.

John Waltho married Elizabeth (Eliza) Ann CLARK on Nov. 6th, 1880 at the registry office on Mary St. in Thames, NZ and they eventually left NZ some time after the death of Samuel Rushton MOBBERLEY (Sept. 8th, 1885), leaving mother Betsy and siblings behind, and moved to Sydney, Australia where the family line continues in the area to this day.

(I found a listing for a Mrs Mobberley travelling with a child and infant as passangers on the Wairarapa, sailing from Auckland to NSW on the 25th of April, 1887 and daughter Gertrude was born on May 23rd, 1887 in Sydney).

John Waltho MOBBERLEY appears to have been much loved by his family, and had 9 children, 6 surviving into adulthood. My husband is descended from the eldest son, Charles William MOBBERLEY (b. 1889 at St. Leonards, NSW) who married Elizabeth Blanche PARKER in 1909 at Waterloo, NSW.

If any of you are related to this Mobberley branch of the family and/or wish to add this information to your family tree, please feel free to do so. Any additional information you might have about this branch of the MOBBERLEY tree will be greatly appreciated.

[Jimmy]

Hi Bensonsgirl and welcome to the forum,

This looks like Samuels marriage, not registry office,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857.
MOBBERLEY * Samuel. NAILE Elizabeth. Amblecote, Holy Trinity. Dudley Register Office. 015/001/298.
MOBBERLEY * Samuel. NEALE Elizabeth. Amblecote, Holy Trinity. Dudley Register Office. 015/001/298.

[linell]

Hi Bensongirl, I have some links to this Mobberley family, spouses of cousins, not my direct line. I have read that they were all descended from Ralph Mobberley although know one has got that far back on Black Country Connections. I found Thomas Mobberley born 1833 Families Vault in St Mary's Churchyard, that is Old Swinford.

[Northern Lass]

so this is what we have
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =599010248

can we get it back any further?

and what can we verify and maybe add

and thanks Benson girl and welcome

[kdw]

This is my direct line. I do have the family going back to Raphe Mobberley althogh i havent added it all to BCC yet.

Raphe moved to Oldswinford with Paul Henzey who was the first glassmaker in Stourbridge. This was probably in the beginning of 1611. On the 9th October 1611, he was mentioned in the Oldswinford Manor Court Roll re Lye Waste. On the 8th May 1616, he was again mentioned for erecting two cottages in "La Lye" contrary to statute law and fine 20d. On the 6th October 1616 he was mentioned in connection with the Waste at Lye. On the 1st October 1618 he was presented to court for obstructing the grain fields and fined 20d with an additional fine for default court.

[linell]

HI NL, got back another generation from the IGI, John christened 16.5.1648 Old Swinford, son of another John who Married an Elizabeth Nenns, submitted Marriage about 1677 Old Swinford. Can't get back any further to connect him to Ralph born 1570.

Linell.

[kdw]

I have John born 1648 being the son of John 1600 and Margaret unknown.
John 1600 then married Alice Sebright in about 1623.

John and Margaret had Margaret Mobberley 1645 Issaber Mobberley 1645 Both christened 9 Feb 1645 Oldswinford and John Christened 16 May 1648.

John and Alice had Thomas Christened 28 Jan 1625 died 1625
Elizabeth Christened 12 Oct 1626 Died about 1641
Alice Christened 7 June 1629 Cied about 1641
Thomas 1631 Died about 1642
John Christened 5 Mar 1634 died 1635
John Christened 5 Mar 1636 died 1636
Elinor Christened 9 June 1638 Died 26 Feb 1643

John Mobberley b.1600
In October 1624, John was elected Tythingman for Lye. On the 12th April 1626, he was fined for making a ditch called a sawpit in a road called Brownings Lane. On the 4th October 1626, he was mentioned because he destroyed a gate. On the 30th September 1630, he was presented to court for building and enclosing on Lye Waste. On the 2nd April 1635 he was presented at court for brewing ale contrary to the assize. in 1639, he became Surveyor of the Highways for the parish for 2 yrs and in 1648 became Collector of the Poor for the parish for 2 yrs. In 1652, he leased from Thomas Hunt a messuage and land (near to the lane from Saltbrook to Careless Green Lye and near land stretching from Waste Hayes to Oldnall). He bought the property in 1666 together with his daughters Isabell and Margaret.
His mark on indenture. Lived at: Lye Waste. [Goughof Perry Hall docs. in B`ham Library]. Occupation: 1652 Locksmith. Also in 1666.

I have John being the son of Raphe and unknown.

All this research was done ages ago but confimrmed by someone else who was also doing Mobberleys

[kdw]

Maggie has added Elijah Mobberley on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ley-Family

I do not think they had a son Francis Dalton
Elijah married Matilda Stafford in 1857
21 Sept 1857 St Mary Oldswinford
Elijah Mobberley X 20 Bachelor Hammer Maker The Lye William Mobberley Nail Maker
Matilda Stafford 19 Spinster The Lye Joseph Stafford Chain Maker
Wit: Thomas Mobberley X Amelia Mobberley X

Thomas Married Amelia Field on BCC here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ley-Family
1851 Waste Lye
William Mobberly Head Mar 71 Chelsea Pensioner Born Ryston Blind
Ellen Mobberly Wife Mar 56 Born Ireland
Joseph Mobberly Son U 17 Ap Chain Maker Born Oldswinford
Elijah Mobberly Son U 14 Assistant To Chain Maker Born Oldswinford
George Griffiths GrandSon 11 Assistant to Hammer Maker Borm Oldswinford
Honor Griffiths Grand Daur 6 Sunday Scholar Born Oldswinford

1861
Elijah Mobberly Head Mar 23 Hammer Maker Born Lye
Matilda Mobberly Wife Mar 23 Dress Maker Born Quarry Bank
Hannah Mobberly Daur 3 Scholar Born Lye Waste
Alice Mobberly Daur 1 Born Lye Waste
Next door is Elijahs parents
William Mobberley Head Mar 75 Pensioner Born Roston Middlesex
Ellen Mobberley Wife Born Ireland

1871 Cross Walk Lye
Elizah Mobberley Head Mar 34 Anvil Maker Born Lye
Matilda Mobberley Wife Mar 32 Seemstress Born Lye
Hannah Mobberley Daur 13 Scholar Born Lye
Elizah Mobberley Daur 1 Born Lye

1881 Church Street Lye
Elijah Mebberley Head Mar 43 Anvil Maker Born Lye
Matilda Mebberley Wife Mar 42 Dress Maker Born Quarry Bank
Elijah Mebberley Son 11 Scholar Born Lye
Major Mebberley Son 7 Scholar Born Lye
Alice Amelia Mebberley Daur 3 Scholar Born Lye
Ellen Mebberley Daur 11 Mths Born Lye

1891 Fletcher Street Wollescote
Elijah Mobberly Head Mar 50 Blacksmith Born Lye
Mary Mobberly Wife Mar 49 Born Lye
Major Mobberly Son 17 Too Vices Striker Born Lye
Alice Mobberly Daur 14 Born Lye
Ellen Mobberly Daur 10 Scholar Born Lye
Herbert Mobberly Son 8 Scholar Born Lye

1901 Church Street Lye
Elijah Mobberley Head M 66 Fish Hawker Born Lye
Ellen Mobberley Daur 20 Anvil Maker Born Lye
Herbert Mobberley Son 18 Brick Maker Born Lye

Elijah is buried with his first wife Matilda in Lye and Wollescote Cemetery
4882 3 Herbert William Moss Unknown 3 Years 09/05/1909 Lye/Wollescote Cemetery Section E 34H
4687 2 Elijah Mobberley Unknown 70 Years 01/03/1908 Lye/Wollescote Cemetery Section E 34H
785 1 Matilda Mobberley Unknown 47 Years 12/03/1885 Lye/Wollescote Cemetery Section E 34H

Possible 2nd Marriage for Elijah
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
MOBBERLEY Elijah HILL Mary Stambermill, St Mark Dudley Register Office 004/001/381

[linell]

Oh well done Kaye, the notes on Ralph and John are most interesting, will leave it to you then. Linell.

[Northern Lass]

Thomas MOBBERLEY (1815) m. to Ann RUSHTON
6 June 1835 Oldswinford

need to verify this marriage
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =741692308

poss bapt ...to be verified
Samuel Rushton bapt 1836 Kingswinford

Samuel married Elizabeth neal 1st march 1857 Holy Trinity amblecote
needs verifying


Samuel and Elizabeth emigrated......new zealand

[kdw]

Started adding this lot will try and carry on tomorrow
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ley-Family

Elijah here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ley-Family

Ellen Mobberley and Sergeant Gauden here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =257958416

[Antie Em]

Second Marriage for Elijah Mobberley

15 Oct 1888 "“ St Mark Stambermill
Elijah Mobberley, 50, Wid, Blacksmith, of Church Street, Father William Mobberley, Dec
Mary Hill, 47, Wid, of Connops Lane, Father John Wooldridge, Dec
Wit : Thomas Pardoe and (Maria?) Pardoe

[kdw]

Second Marriage for Elijah Mobberley

15 Oct 1888 "“ St Mark Stambermill
Elijah Mobberley, 50, Wid, Blacksmith, of Church Street, Father William Mobberley, Dec
Mary Hill, 47, Wid, of Connops Lane, Father John Wooldridge, Dec
Wit : Thomas Pardoe and (Maria?) Pardoe

Thanks Auntie Em
Can we find who Mary was previously married to ?

Possible

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1865
Oldswinford, St Mary nDudley Register Office 003/008/177
WOOLDRIDGE Mary HILL Samuel

1871 Connops Lane
Samuel Hill Head Mar 26 Nail Maker Born Lye
Mary Hill Wife Mar 27 Born Lye
Matilda Hill Daur 4 Scholar Born Lye
John Hill Son 11 Months Born Lye
William Hill Father Widr 73 Nail Maker Born Lye

1881 Connop Lane Lye
Samuel Hill Head Mar 36 Horse Nail Maker Born Lye
Mary Hill Wife Mar 38 Wrought Nail Maker Born Lye
John Hill Son 10 Scholar Born Lye
Samuel Hill Son 7 Scholar Born Lye
Phoebe Hill Daur 4 Born Lye
William Hill Father Widr 83 Wrought Nail Maker Born Lye

1901 Attwood Street Wollescote
Albert Perkes Head M 33 Clay Miner Born Lye
Matilda Perkes Wife M 34 Born Lye
Edith Perkes Daur 8 Born Lye
Goutrude Perkes Daur 3 Born Lye
Annie Perkes Daur 1 Born Lye
Mary Moberley Mother in Law Wid 58 Born Lye
Pheby Hill S in Law S 24 Brick Maker and Labourer Born Lye
Samuel Hill B in law M 26 Shakel Maker Born Lye
Mary Hill S in Law M 26 Born Lye
Foley Hill 8 Months Born Lye Cant read relationship transcribed as Female Nurse

Is this the right Mary as Elijah is still alive in 1901 ?

[kdw]

Could this be the Witness'

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/006/188
PARDOE Thomas WOOLDRIDGE Mira

[Northern Lass]

must be a mistake re her down as a wid on census

1891 Fletcher Street Wollescote

Elijah Mobberly Head Mar 50 Blacksmith Born Lye
Mary Mobberly Wife Mar 49 Born Lye
Major Mobberly Son 17 Too Vices Striker Born Lye
Alice Mobberly Daur 14 Born Lye
Ellen Mobberly Daur 10 Scholar Born Lye
Herbert Mobberly Son 8 Scholar Born Lye

age checks

I am adding that marriage in citations

connops lane on marriage and she is with Samuel hill on census