Hi there, I'm trying to find the last piece of the jigsaw on my ancestor Joseph Baker. I've been successful in tracking his entire life (through censuses and records) but I am having trouble working out how to find a date of death when doing geneology! I've done a search on Ancestry and 100s of Joseph Baker's come up for Worcestershire/staffordshire. Is there a method for narrowing down the possibilities other that trial and error ordering death certs? I've listed details below of the research I've been successful with so far. Please could somebody give me some advice?
1848
25 Dec
Birth2 Moor Street, Claines, Worcestershire, England
1849
14 Jan
ChristeningSt John the Baptist Church, Claines, Staffs
1851
Age: 3
ResidenceClaines, Worcestershire, England
No.11 Moor Field Street
1861
Age: 13
ResidenceTipton, Staffordshire, England
Sheepwash Lane - Labourer at water works
1868
19 Apr
Age: 19
Marriage to Eliza MarshKidderminster, Worcestershire, England
1881
Age: 33
ResidenceHandsworth, Staffordshire, England
The Old House on Soho Pool Bank - Police Officer (PC46)
1901
Age: 53
ResidenceNorthfield, Worcestershire, England
26 Kaddle Barn Lane - Night Watchman
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descartes46
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MarkCDodd
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
Always search the registration district where he last lived.
In this case he lived in Northfield whose registration district is Kings Norton, Worcestershire until 1912 when it changed to Bormingham, Warwickshire.
Between 1903 and 1911 there were three Joseph Baker deaths in Kings Norton.
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 64
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 294
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 73
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 292
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 81
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 461
Because they are estimated ages at the time of death, anything within two years of his actual age is acceptable.
None of those death match a birth year of 1848 +/- 2 years.
I would then look at the rest of the County but there is nothing matching in Worcestershire.
Since Birmingham is the most likely registration district if he died in Hospital I would then look there.
Only one suitable in Warwickshire is for a Joseph James Baker and that is in Coventry
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph James
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 55
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 300
Next I would look at Staffordshire, especially West Bromwich, as that is another large registration district close by his last place of residence.
Looking in the whole of Staffordshire only one suitable death is found.
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 56
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 496
It is in West Brom and is the only real match out of all three counties.
So I would order that certificate.
In this case he lived in Northfield whose registration district is Kings Norton, Worcestershire until 1912 when it changed to Bormingham, Warwickshire.
Between 1903 and 1911 there were three Joseph Baker deaths in Kings Norton.
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 64
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 294
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 73
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 292
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 81
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 461
Because they are estimated ages at the time of death, anything within two years of his actual age is acceptable.
None of those death match a birth year of 1848 +/- 2 years.
I would then look at the rest of the County but there is nothing matching in Worcestershire.
Since Birmingham is the most likely registration district if he died in Hospital I would then look there.
Only one suitable in Warwickshire is for a Joseph James Baker and that is in Coventry
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph James
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 55
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 300
Next I would look at Staffordshire, especially West Bromwich, as that is another large registration district close by his last place of residence.
Looking in the whole of Staffordshire only one suitable death is found.
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BAKER, Joseph
Registration District: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 56
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 496
It is in West Brom and is the only real match out of all three counties.
So I would order that certificate.
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descartes46
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
Thank you Mark, you have been very helpful. I'm not familiar with the districts and counties yet, but I'm sure I'll understand them eventually! I wouldnt have found this information in a dozen years on my own! haha
Regards,
Descartes
Regards,
Descartes
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
Using the local registration details in West Midlands BMD will narrow it down for you - ie, Tipton's registration district is Dudley, but is Tipton on West Midlands BMD - Oldbury has the registration district of West Bromwich, but is Oldbury on West Midlands BMD.
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
Hope this helps - Maggie
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
Hope this helps - Maggie
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Maths girl
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
Have you decided he was definitely not on the 1911 census or could he have died after 1911?-
MarkCDodd
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
I had a look through the 1911 census before searching 1901 to 1911.
There was nothing that matched him, with our without his wife.
There was nothing that matched him, with our without his wife.
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Jimmy
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
descartes46 wrote:1901
Age: 53
ResidenceNorthfield, Worcestershire, England
26 Kaddle Barn Lane - Night Watchman
That would be Raddle Barn Lane, do you have the full details on this one.
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Jimmy
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
Found him born 1849.
1901. 26 Raddle Barn Lane, Northfield.
Joseph Baker 52. Night watchman. Kingsnorton.
Eliza Baker 54. Kidderminster, Worcestershire.
Florence Baker 19. Handsworth, Staffordshire
Alice Baker 14. Handsworth, Staffordshire.
1901. 26 Raddle Barn Lane, Northfield.
Joseph Baker 52. Night watchman. Kingsnorton.
Eliza Baker 54. Kidderminster, Worcestershire.
Florence Baker 19. Handsworth, Staffordshire
Alice Baker 14. Handsworth, Staffordshire.
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
Love the way the community all help each other out out 
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Maths girl
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
MarkOnslow wrote:Love the way the community all help each other out out
What about this one Jimmy to stop the boredom?-- go for a dig and see what else you can find!
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Jimmy
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Re: Tracing dates of deaths?
I can't see anything different on the death than Mark as found.