COMPLETED......Richard Pearce possible marriage error

[mumbles]

I am researching Pearce family and have added members of family down the line from Richard but my research suggests he did not marry Eleanor Tromans but married Ellen Yates . Note Census clearly shows Ellen not Eleanor .

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[mumbles]

Thomas Pearce is a son of Richard and Ellen Pearce not living with them in 1841 and 1851 but with grandparents :-

1841 Census Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.
Thomas Yates 60 Labourer
Hannah Yates 61
Thomas Pearce 15 Nailer
All born Worcs.


Marriage 19/8/1848 St. Thomas Dudley
Thomas Pearce b. Engineer father Richard Pearce Miner
and Eliza Russon sp. father Thomas Russon deceased miner
Witnesses Joseph Hill and Ellen Pearce

1851 Census Derby End Dudley Staffs.
Thomas Yates 68 Formerly Furnaceman born Hampson Lovett Worcs>
Hannah Yates wife 71
Thomas Pearce grd.son 28 Engineer
Eliza Pearce Grd.son Wife/dau 24
Lavinia Pearce 2 dau of dau
Hannah Pearce dau of dau 6mths.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.
1861 Census Garratts Lane Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.

Note relationships not clear on original

Thomas Pearce Head 38 Engine Driver
Eliza Pearce wife 34
Lavinia Pearce dau 12
Eliza Pearce dau 7
Ellen Pearce dau 5
Thomas Pearce son 3
Ruth Pearce dau 1 born Rowley Regis Staffs.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.


1871 Census Garratt`s Lane Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.

Thomas Pearce Head 50 Engine Driver
Eliza Pearce wife 44
Eliza Pearce dau 17 Nail Maker
Ellen Pearce dau 15 Nail Maker
Thomas Pearce son 13 Labourer
All above born Dudley Worcs.
Ruth Pearce dau 11 Scholar
Joseph Pearce son 8 Scholar
Charlotte Pearce dau 7 Scholar
Enoch Pearce son 4 Scholar
Richard Pearce son 1
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1881 Census Bank Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.

Thomas Pearce Head 59 Colliery Engine Driver born Netherton Worcs.
Eliza Pearce wife 53 born Netherton Worcs.
Ruth Pearce dau 21 No Occupation
Joseph Pearce son 18 Clerk at Timber Yard
Charlotte Pearce dau 17 Dressmaker
Enoch Pearce son 14 Foreman at Colliery
Richard Pearce son 11 Scholar
Rest born Old Hill Staffs.

Another entry possibly of relevance is :-
1861 Census Double Row Dudley Staffs.<br>
Richard Purson Head 24 Labourer born Cumminton <br>
Ellen Purson 24 born Derby End Worcs.<br>
Joseph Purson son 6 Shoemaker born Derby End Worcs.<br>
Hannah Purson Yates Boarder (wid) 77 born Derby End Worcs.

Note I think this is Richard & Ellen Pearce and ages are all wrong as a) "Shoemaker aged 6" b) Richard is shown as born Cumminton which is close to the Culmington Shropshire that Richard Pearce born 1797 was born c) I cannot find Richard and Ellen Pearc on 1861 Census and I know Richard lived till 1867 and Ellen 1878

1871 Census 12 Double Row Dudley Staffs.
Ellen Pearce Head 65 (wid) Nail Maker
James While Boarder 62 Hawker
John Darby Boarder 63 Hawker (Blind)
Philliss Darby boarder wife 63 Nail Maker
All born Darby Hand Worcs.

[mumbles]

Found This on Ancestry which notes Ellen Yates not Eleanor Tromans

“Ellen Pierce Weston Perk's History” by William Hubrey Wilson, Grandson March 10, 1966

Based on notes from Mary Wilson Shoell, Great Granddaughter, and

Gayleen Shoell Ellis, GG Granddaughter

Compiled by Victoria Wilson Chambers, GG Granddaughter 2010

(Note: Two different spellings appear in records: Pierce and Pearce.)

William Weston was the oldest of eight children born to Thomas and Sarah Mullet Weston, about 1822 in Gosty Hill, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married Ellen Pierce about 1851 and they became the parents of eight children within 15 years:

Hanna, daughter, born August 10, 1852. She married Richard Hadley in 1874 and they became the parents of four children. She died September 15, 1892 and he died in 1939.

Joseph, son, born October 1, 1854. He died the same year.

Daniel, son, born July 13, 1856. He died as a child in about 1864.

William, Jr., son, born May 1, 1858. He married Rose Hannah Bayless June 10, 1877.

Mary, daughter, born October 8, 1859. She married Albert Willetts about 1880. He died in 1906. She remarried Fred Langren and they lived in Petaluma, California. She died in 1935.

Ruth, daughter, born November 28, 1861. She married Joseph Wilson November 20, 1878 and following his death in 1892, married Frank Hubrey about 1899. She immigrated to Canada and then the United States and died December 21, 1950 in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Thomas, son, born October 22, 1863. He married Sarah Jane Lea about 1888. He died October 24, 1949.

Sarah Ellen, daughter, born February 22, 1866 and married William Deeley about 1881. He died December 25, 1893 and she died May 1952.

William died at the age of 43, in October 1865, leaving the responsibility of a large, young family to his wife, Ellen. In fact, Ellen gave birth to their youngest child, Sarah Ellen four months after his death. He is buried at St. Luke's Church, Four Ways Churchyard, Cradley Heath, Staffordshire. (below)

Memories of Ellen Pierson Weston Perks by William Hubrey Wilson, Grandson:

“Grandmother Weston lived with us in England. She was very soft spoken, a gentile lady. I must have been 5 or 6 years old. She gave me a penny to write her name for her. She could neither read nor write and had never gone to school. This was before the time of compulsory education for children.”

Ellen Pierce Weston Perks was born April 29, 1829 in Darby End, Worcestershire, the second of five children born to Richard Pierce (1801-1867) and Ellen Yates (b-1811). She married William Weston about 1850. They became the parents of eight children within 15 years. About five years following William's death, she married John Perks. She died May 7, 1908 in Old Hill, Staffordshire and was buried at St. Luke's Church, Four Ways Churchyard, Cradley Heath, Staffordshire.


Also Found Extended Trumpeter Tree on Bcc which notes Ellen Yates

[Northern Lass]

I have put her as Ellen unknown deleted marriage

do we have proof she is Ellen Yates?
is there a marriage for her and Richard
sorry not gone thru all thread

[mumbles]

Marriage is noted as 1822 but I have not found but if you go through details it all ties in that Ellen Yates not Eleanor Tromans.
Thomas Pearce married Eliza Russon who was already on bcc so have made that connection as marriage details her father as Thomas Russon deceased miner and his father as Richard Pearce Miner and most importantly Ellen Pearce as witness who is either his mother Ellen or his sister Ellen
I will have another look for marriage

[Northern Lass]

Marriage is noted as 1822 but I have not found but if you go through details it all ties in that Ellen Yates not Eleanor Tromans.
Thomas Pearce married Eliza Russon who was already on bcc so have made that connection as marriage details her father as Thomas Russon deceased miner and his father as Richard Pearce Miner and most importantly Ellen Pearce as witness who is either his mother Ellen or his sister Ellen
I will have another look for marriage

So lets get the birth of one of the kids can you flag one for me to order

do you think Ellen could be Eleanor Tromans wid on marriage to Richard Pearce
have we looked it up?

[Jimmy]

The only marriage I could find.
Extracted,
RICHARD PEARCE.
ELEANOR TRUMANS.
Marriage, 18 MAR 1822. Saint Thomas, Dudley.Worcester.

[Northern Lass]

I can order this

1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PEARCE Sophia Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/003/454

and I would like to look at that marriage so will put it for a look up urgent

although if she is born 1805 pushing it to be a wid in 1822

[Northern Lass]

that is a big gap from Sophia to George

2 ellens?

[Northern Lass]

interesting mother is Eleanor on early one

THOS. PEARCE Christening: 15 SEP 1822 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: RICHD. PEARCE
Mother: ELEANOR Extracted

[Northern Lass]

So is that Thomas with G.parents

1841 Census Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.
Thomas Yates 60 Labourer
Hannah Yates 61
Thomas Pearce 15 Nailer
All born Worcs.


if so can we add him in ?

[Northern Lass]

look!! she is a tromans

THOMAS YATES
Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH TROWMAN
Marriage: 30 JUL 1810 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, Extracted

Elleanor/Ellen born abt 1806 way before marriage

so we dont know if Thomas is her father at all

bet she took name Yates on kids certifs

[Northern Lass]

Hannah is born 1780 ish
was she prev married to a James Tromans

NELLEY TROWMAN
Christening: 04 AUG 1805 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: JAMES TROWMAN
Mother: HANH. Extracted

1. DANIEL TRUMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 MAR 1798 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

2. JOSEPH TROWMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 FEB 1804 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England


then marries Thomas Yates in 1810?

is Ellen Nelly dob fits

[mumbles]

I knew you and Jimmy would start to sort it out .
It Looks like Ellen was born by Hannah Tromans and took name Yates later ?

[Jimmy]

The only marriage I could find.
Extracted,
RICHARD PEARCE.
ELEANOR TRUMANS.
Marriage, 18 MAR 1822. Saint Thomas, Dudley.Worcester.

Based on age in 1851, Ellen-Eleanor would have been about 16, if married in 1822.

1851. Double Row, Darby End, Dudley.
Richard Pearce 57. Labourer. Culwington, Shropshire.
Ellen Peane 45.
Sophia Peane 12.
George Peane 3.

Others born Dudley.