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This is driving me nuts!

From the "mess of TAYLORS" thread

kdw had very kindly found this...

Did find this in 1891
William Proctor Head M 60 Coal Miner Born Nuneaton Warwickshire
Sarah Proctor Wife 54 Born West Bromwich
Joseph Proctor Son 23 Coal Miner Born West Bromwich
Samuel Proctor Son 15 Coal Miner Born West Bromwich
William Taylor Grandson 12 Scholar Born Oldbury

and rockyfowler found this..
PROCTER William TAYLOR Sarah Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/8/497 1858

so... I have been trying to work out exactly how that grandson connects to William PROCTOR ( still trying to pin down my great grandfather!)

I found William & Sarah PROCTOR on every census from 1861 to 1901 & worked out that their children were:
Jane (B.1857), William (B.1859), Eliza (1863), George (1866), Joseph (1868), Joshua (1868), Fanny (1871) & Samuel (1876)

Now Jane's birthdate appears to be before they were married.... so is she really a TAYLOR not a PROCTOR(?)
Someone on Ancestry had this Jane PROCTOR married to a James MORGAN ( & there are MORGAN grandchildren living with the PROCTORS in 1901)

I found a marriage for James MORGAN(b1859) to Jane TAYLOR(age 24) on 25 Dec 1879 ( this from Ancestry)
but also found on Bmsgh.... same names....same date....Christchurch, West Brom, Staffs... Sandwell Reg Office 23/6/126

On the 1881 census I have found living at 67 Long Square, Witton Lane
James MORGAN (20) married puddler
wife Jane(24)
children Eliza(1)
and William (2) all born West. Brom

Was William born before she married James and is he also a TAYLOR though listed as MORGAN??

Getting more tied up the more I look at this... can anyone help me to make sense of it all?
Thankyou
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Thought I should check census for 1891 parents address to see if there is a William MORGAN living with them.... but no he isn't there... I suppose he may have died? .. or perhaps he is that William TAYLOR living with his grandparents?

Here is the census for the MORGAN household:

West Brom 1891
James MORGAN(30) iron puddler
Jane (35) wife
children...
Eliza(11)
James(9)
Charlie(6)
Joseph(5)
Benjamin(8mths)
Ellen STOKES(19)single boarder coal pit bank girl
all born West Bromwich

He is not in his mother's house on the 1901 census either:
Ebenezer Street, West. Brom
Jane MORGAN (44) head..widow
children..Eliza(21) single domestic servant
Joe(15)iron worker
Alfred(8)
Sarah Jane(3)
Benjamin(2).. all born West Brom
Joseph LAPWORTH (41) single boarder..iron worker born Hill Top, Staffs

... I don't know.. maybe he is my William TAYLOR?... or he is William MORGAN and he has died or I just haven't found him yet?
Hmmm :-?
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here is marriage expat kindly done by RockyFowler at archives

27 Dec 1858 St Martins (Pepper Box) Tipton
William PROCTOR 23 B Miner Tipton Father Wm Proctor Brick Maker
Sarah TAYLOR 22 S Dress Maker Tipton Edw Taylor Labourer
After The banns The Marks Of Both
Wit; Daniel Bennett X John Taylor X

not sure who this one is

cant see him on bcc

this lot are diff ages

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =652233415
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expat which is your William Taylor on BCC

do we have him on?
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Northern Lass wrote:expat which is your William Taylor on BCC

do we have him on?


NL.... my William TAYLOR is this one.... married to Hannah HEWITT.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/81031/83253/William-Taylor-Family

Still don't know if I'm on the right track..... whether the original Joseph TAYLOR I had down as his dad is the right one or if my William TAYLOR is from this MORGAN/TAYLOR/PROCTOR family? :crazy:

Thankyou RF for that lookup :thumbup:
...have to study this and see where I'm at with this......early morning here and haven't drunk enough tea yet!.... need to get the old brain cells working! :wink:

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Northern Lass wrote:here is marriage expat kindly done by RockyFowler at archives

27 Dec 1858 St Martins (Pepper Box) Tipton
William PROCTOR 23 B Miner Tipton Father Wm Proctor Brick Maker
Sarah TAYLOR 22 S Dress Maker Tipton Edw Taylor Labourer
After The banns The Marks Of Both
Wit; Daniel Bennett X John Taylor X

not sure who this one is

cant see him on bcc

this lot are diff ages

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =652233415


I'm already confused.... I had this for the 1891 census

1891
William Proctor Head M 60 Coal Miner Born Nuneaton Warwickshire
Sarah Proctor Wife 54 Born West Bromwich
Joseph Proctor Son 23 Coal Miner Born West Bromwich
Samuel Proctor Son 15 Coal Miner Born West Bromwich
William Taylor Grandson 12 Scholar Born Oldbury

My geography isn't great...but aren't Tipton and Nuneaton opposite sides of Brum?
The ages are also a bit different.
I don't know now if they are the couple in that marriage or not..... what do you think?

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So this one is yours?
William TAYLOR 22 bachelor, labourer, resident in Whiteheath, father Joseph TAYLOR labourer
Hannah HEWITT 19 spinster, resident Blackheath..father William HEWITT rivet maker
witnesses Jacob TROMANS & Susan COMLEY
on BCC here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... lor-Family

Could this be William transcribed as Walter?
1901. 131 High Street, Blackheath, Rowley Regis
John Oswell, head, 57, Night watchman,
Mary A ? boarder, 55, Housekeeper
John ?, boarder, 17, nut and bolt forger
Hannah Taylor, boarder, 22,
Walter Taylor, boarder, 22, Labourer tube works
All born Rowley Regis
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My geography isnt too good either but is Quinton around Langley, Worc?

The first child William was born Langley as the 1911 census says
so a possible??

1901. 19 Spring Street, Langley Oldbury
William Taylor, head, 23, Brewers labourer, Langley
Anne, wife, 22, Oldbury
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grangers14 wrote:My geography isnt too good either but is Quinton around Langley, Worc?

The first child William was born Langley as the 1911 census says
so a possible??

1901. 19 Spring Street, Langley Oldbury
William Taylor, head, 23, Brewers labourer, Langley
Anne, wife, 22, Oldbury


Thanks grangers!
Yes... that looks possible... they were married in 1900... so would both be TAYLORS in 1901.
Oh.. and yes that is my William on the BCC tree ( my great grandad!)

Hadn't seen that other 1901 census before... I suppose that could be possible aswell?

Hmm :roll:
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If so and if Im in the right area ??
Possible birth of William and question if mother is Hewitt?

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1902
TAYLOR William Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/076/77
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grangers14 wrote:My geography isnt too good either but is Quinton around Langley, Worc?

The first child William was born Langley as the 1911 census says
so a possible??

1901. 19 Spring Street, Langley Oldbury
William Taylor, head, 23, Brewers labourer, Langley
Anne, wife, 22, Oldbury


These are my inlaws.
Census for William
1881 : Aged 3 - Living at 43 Back Lane, Oldbury, Worcs
1891 : Aged 13 - Living in Titford Road, Oldbury
1901 : Aged 23 - Living at 19 Spring Street, Langley, Oldbury - Brewers Labourer
1911 : Aged 32 - Living at 10 Henry Street, Langley - Brewer's Labourer

He married Ann (Nancy)in 1900 at Holy Trinity in Langley
His children are

James, born 1903
Alice, born 1907
May, born 1912
Edith, born 1915

On BCC here : http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =157406506

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Alice Taylor, born 1907, Daur of William and Ann married William Taylor, also born in 1907 to George Taylor and Sarah Roberts.

1911 : 31 Edward Street, Langley
George Taylor, Head, 32, Brewer's, Labourer, BornCauseway Green, Langley
Sarah Taylor, Wife, 26, Born Rowley Regis, Staffs
George Taylor, Son, 7, 1904, Born Langley Green, Worcs
William Taylor, Son, 3 , Born Langley Green, Worcs
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Thanks Antie Em.
So thats not the William we want.
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expat66 wrote:
Northern Lass wrote:here is marriage expat kindly done by RockyFowler at archives

27 Dec 1858 St Martins (Pepper Box) Tipton
William PROCTOR 23 B Miner Tipton Father Wm Proctor Brick Maker
Sarah TAYLOR 22 S Dress Maker Tipton Edw Taylor Labourer
After The banns The Marks Of Both
Wit; Daniel Bennett X John Taylor X

not sure who this one is

cant see him on bcc

this lot are diff ages

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =652233415


I'm already confused.... I had this for the 1891 census

1891
William Proctor Head M 60 Coal Miner Born Nuneaton Warwickshire
Sarah Proctor Wife 54 Born West Bromwich
Joseph Proctor Son 23 Coal Miner Born West Bromwich
Samuel Proctor Son 15 Coal Miner Born West Bromwich
William Taylor Grandson 12 Scholar Born Oldbury

My geography isn't great...but aren't Tipton and Nuneaton opposite sides of Brum?
The ages are also a bit different.
I don't know now if they are the couple in that marriage or not..... what do you think?

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1901. 50 Lloyd Street, West bromwich
William Proctor, head, 70,Rag and bone merchant, Stockinford Warwickshire
Sarah, wife, 66,
Joseph, son, 33, Glass polisher
Samuel ,son, 25, glass furnaceman
James Morgan, grandson, 20, Coal hewer
Charles Morgan, grandson, 17, Coal Hewer
All others born West Bromwich

Is this Charles from the Morgan 1891 census?
That marriage needs checking
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1861. 19 Colley Street, West Bromwich
William Proctor, head, 27, Miner, Beddoth? Warwickshire
Sarah, wife, 25
Jane, daur, 4
William, son, 2
Samuel Bullock, Boarder, 19, Puddler of Iron
All others born West bromwich


1871. Smith St, West Bromwich
William Proctor, head, 36, Collier, Nuneaton
Sarah, wife, 35,
William, son, 12,
Jane, 15,
George, son, 5,
Eliza, daur, 8,
Joshua, son, 3,
Fanny, daur, 2
All others born Staffordshire


1881. 19 Oak? Lane, Wednesbury West Bromwich
William Proctor, head, 45, Coal Miner
Sarah, wife, 44,
Joseph, son, 12, Half ?
Fanny, daur, 10,
Samuel. Son, 5,
\Thomas Whitehouse, boarder, 20 Carter
All born West Bromwich
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