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ARC TBC - William's first marriage

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William Birch was born in Oldbury in 1834.
He married Catherine? in 1860 but I suspect he married someone else before this.
He had two children John Birch c 01/1856- 1942 and Sampson c 1857. John b 1856 married Annie ? in 12/1877.

I am trying to fill in the ? gaps.
Who was the first wife.
When was she born, when did they marry and when did she die.
What about Sampson ? spelling and who was Annie?
Help please.
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Re: William's first marriage

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Hello Kiwikid and welcome to the Forum.

Do you have the family on any census?
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Yes on 1861 living at rising sun park lane RG9/2023
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1861 Rising Sun (pub?) Oldbury

William Birch 27 Beerhouse keeper
Catherine Birch 20
John Birch 5
Sampson Birch 4
Frances Fane 24 visitor Appleby, Derbyshire
rest oldbury
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poss mar

Marriages Sep 1860

Birch William W Bromwich 6b 746
Kirkham Enoch W Bromwich 6b 746
Naish Catherine W. Bromwich 6b 746
Nash Catherine W. Bromwich 6b 746
Needham Eliza W Bromwich 6b 746
Needom Eliza W Bromwich 6b 746
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This marriage isn't listed on West Midlands BMD, so it was probably one of the Handsworth churches, St Mary or St James.

You will need to see a copy of this marriage, to see if he's been married before. What makes you think he was married twice?

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poss william

1851 Titford, Oldbury

Thomas Birch 41 coal miner
Ann Birch 42
Mary Ann Birch 19
William Birch 17 glass maker ?
Thomas Birch 14
John Birch 10
Elizabeth Birch 5
all born oldbury
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There is a marriage for John and Annie here :

1877 : BIRCH John JACKSON Annie West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/15/20
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house before thomas transcribed as beach could be birch ?


John Beach 40 shoe m ?
Hannah Beach 40
John Beach 15
Hannah Beach 15
Sarah Beach 10
James Beach 7
Jane Beach 5
Samuel Beach 2




1841 Severn ? Bridge, oldbury

Thomas Birch 30 coal miner
Ann Birch 30
Joseph Birch 11
Mary Birch 9
William Birch 7
Thomas Birch 5

looks like same house
Joseph Morris 15
all born in c


next door on image

1851 park house lane, oldbury

John Birch 25 coalminer
Mary Birch 20
George Birch 1
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There are three John Birch's listed on West Midalnds BMD

BIRCHJohn Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/20/495
BIRCH John Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/22/159
BIRCH John Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/22/34

You could ring West Bromwich Register Office - 0121 569 2480 and give them the name of John's father and ask if the mother's name was Catherine. They might ask you to buy the cert, but you might get lucky ....

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Looks like Catherine dies??

1871 Park Street, Oldbury

BIRCH, William Head M 37 1834 Worcestershire Licensed Victualler
BIRCH, Eliza Wife F 33 1838 Worcestershire
BIRCH, John Son M 15 1856 Worcestershire
BIRCH, Benjamin Son M 13 1858 Worcestershire Image says Benjamin, but could this be Samson??
BIRCH, Fanny Daughter F 10 1861 Worcestershire
YORK, James Lodger M 30 1841 Worcestershire
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Re: William's first marriage

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Deaths Dec 1866.
Birch Catherine 26. W. Bromwich. 6b. 405.

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1866.
BIRCH Catherine. Oldbury Sandwell Register Office. OLD/20/316.
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Re: William's first marriage

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Antie Em wrote:This marriage isn't listed on West Midlands BMD, so it was probably one of the Handsworth churches, St Mary or St James.

You will need to see a copy of this marriage, to see if he's been married before. What makes you think he was married twice?

Maggie

Antie M,
John and Sampson were born in 1856 and 1857.The first marriage was probably 1856. There are two possible spouses Ann Maria Higgot or Elizabeth Walker. They died in 1859 and 1858 respectively. He married Catherine in 1860. Fanny was probably a child of this marriage, then Catharine dies in 1866 and he remarries Eliza ???? ? any more children. I dont have his death date.
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Re: William's first marriage

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peterd wrote:poss william

1851 Titford, Oldbury

Thomas Birch 41 coal miner
Ann Birch 42
Mary Ann Birch 19
William Birch 17 glass maker ?
Thomas Birch 14
John Birch 10
Elizabeth Birch 5
all born oldbury

This is definitely William's famil. Thank you.
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peterd wrote:poss mar

Marriages Sep 1860

Birch William W Bromwich 6b 746
Kirkham Enoch W Bromwich 6b 746
Naish Catherine W. Bromwich 6b 746
Nash Catherine W. Bromwich 6b 746
Needham Eliza W Bromwich 6b 746
Needom Eliza W Bromwich 6b 746

Thank you Peterd. Catherine or Catharine Naish or Nash is correct.
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