ARC TBC - Seadoe or Seador name in Scotland

[usignuolo]

Some while back I started researching my family tree and gave up when it threw up a great grandmother, born in Scotland in 1823 called Mary Seadoe or Seador. At the time my research skills were rudimentary and as I could not trace this name I thought I must have tracked back to the wrong place. The name did not seem to resemble anything Scottish I could find.

Recently I started again and once more got led back to this same reference. The original entry is copperplate script and looks like Seadoe or Seador. The biggest problem I have is that Seador and its variations seem to be middle european not Scottish.

Does it ring any bells with anyone out there, as a phonetic rendering of some more common Scottish name? Sshould I look in the Non Conformist records? I do recall my father saying something about that side of the family being Scottish Presbyterians.

[MarkCDodd]

Who did she marry and the date of marriage?

Many European names appear in Scotland as it was good place to flee from persecution elsewhere.

My guess would be Seadon or Seaden.

A few Seadon appear in the non-confirmist registers in Suffolk and Norfolk and a spattering around Stone, Staffordshire.

A lot of them are Presyterian but there are a couple of Baptists and Protestant Dissenters.

There are Seddon around Lanarkshire in Scotland and Lancashire in England.

[usignuolo]

According to the 1881 census, Mary nee Seadoe, was born in 1823 and in 1881 was a widow, Mary Goss, of 58 living in Marylebone London. Also at home were a 32 year old daughter Maria Goss and 31 year old son Charles Goss and two other daughters. This 1881 census says she was born in Scotland.

I have looked at the census entry in the National Archives and her maiden surname is very hard to read. Looks like Seadoe or maybe Seador. There may of course have been older children who had left home already. I would estimate she married between 1840-5.

I cannot find the family in the 1861 or 1871 census. The 1881 census says Maria (Mary's daughter) was born in Great Yarmouth and son Charles in Kentish town. But I cannot find son Charles in earlier censuses.

On Family Search I found a Charles Goss with the right sort of birth date (1820) born in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk who may be Mary's husband but I can find no earlier references to him and have no definite evidence of this. But then I cannot find any earlier census references to a Charles Goss born in Norfolk in 1820 or to a Mary Seadoe born in Scotland. But then she might in the Scottish archives? I think Charles Goss snr must have died between 1871 and 1881 as she is a widow by 1881.

As I said for all I know they may have been non conformists and may have married in Scotland and may be on the non conformist registers. All I have is the 1881 census. I am not sure where to go next.

[Jimmy]

Possible marriage.
Marriages Dec 1840.
CORBETT James. Marylebone. 1. 228.
COTTLE Elizabeth Emma. Marylebone. 1. 228.
CUDDEN Robert. Marylebone. 1. 228.
GOSS Charles.. Marylebone. 1. 228.
SEADOE_ Mary. Marylebone. 1. 228.
Stenson Sarah. Marylebone. 1. 228.
WILLIS John. Marylebone. 1. 228.
Young John. Marylebone. 1. 228.

[usignuolo]

Thanks for that - it certainly looks like the right marriage but I am still puzzled about the seadoe name as I can find no references to it anywhere else. is the underscore at the end significant - means problems reading it perhaps?

[MarkCDodd]

I have no idea where you are getting her maiden name from.

It is not listed on a census form.

Here they are in 1871 and you can see she is a Mary Ann and born in Ireland and married a Charles Goss.

1871 census transcription details for: King's Rd, St Pancras
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 232 Folio: 68 Page: 41

Reg. District: Pancras Sub District: Camden Town
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: King's Rd, St Pancras
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GOSS, Charles Head M 50 1821 Norfolk
GOSS, Mary Ann Wife F 47 1824 Ireland
GOSS, Maria Daughter F 20 1851 Norfolk
GOSS, Charles Son M 14 1857 Middlesex
GOSS, Eliza Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex
GOSS, Mary A Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex

[Jimmy]

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[usignuolo]

Thanks Jimmy

[usignuolo]

I thought Charles was born in 1850 - not 1857 - which is what it says in the 1881 census. Also the 1881 census says the wife Mary was born in Scotland not Ireland.

[MarkCDodd]

What is that from Jimmy?

THis is them in 1851 and now Mary Ann comes from Yarnouth.

1851 census transcription details for: 40, Phoenix Street, St Pancras, Marylebone
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1496 Folio: 764 Page: 23

Reg. District: Saint Pancras Sub District: Somers Town
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: Somers Town District City/Municipal Borough: Marylebone
Address: 40, Phoenix Street, St Pancras, Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation ,Disability Where Born
MOLINA, Antonia Head Married M 40 1811 Boot Maker Spain
MOLINA, Ann Wife Married F 43 1808 Edmonton Middlesex
MOLINA, Antonia Son M 13 1838 St Pancras Middlesex
MOLINA, Francisco Son M 11 1840 St Pancras Middlesex
MOLINA, Joaquin Son M 11 1840 St Pancras Middlesex
MOLINA, Isabel F Daughter F 6 1845 St Pancras Middlesex
GOSS, Charles Head Married M 30 1821 Taylor Yarmouth
GOSS, Mary Wife Married F 25 1826 Yarmouth
GOSS, Mary Ann Daughter F 5 1846 Finsbury Middlesex
GOSS, Susanna Daughter F 2 1849 Yarmouth
GOSS, Maria Daughter F 0 (5 MOS) 1851 Yarmouth

[Jimmy]

Mary Ann Goss.
Record Type: Baptism.
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1857.
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1857.
Father's Name: Charles Goss. Tailor.
Mother's Name: Mary Goss.
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras.
Borough: Camden.
Sydney St.

Charles Goss.
Record Type: Baptism.
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1859.
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1859.
Father's Name: Charles Goss. Tailor.
Mother's Name: Mary Goss.
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras.
Borough: Camden.
Barclay St.

Eliza Goss.
Record Type: Baptism.
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1868.
Baptism Date: 27 Nov 1868.
Father's Name: Charles Goss. Tailor.
Mother's Name: Mary Goss.
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camden Town All Saints.
Borough: Camden.
59 Kings Rd.

[Jimmy]

Hi Mark,
The image is from Freebmd.

[MarkCDodd]

It is impossible to read Charles' age on the Census but I would say 21 would be the closest giving a birth of 1860.

This looks like his baptism.

Name: Charles Goss
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Nov 1859
Baptism/Christening Place: OLD CHURCH,SAINT PANCRAS,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1859
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Charles Goss
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04793-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 598175
Reference Number:

[Jimmy]

1861. St Pancras.
Charles Cross 42. Tailor. Yarmouth, Norfolk.
Mary Cross 34. Ireland.
Susan Cross 11. Yarmouth, Norfolk.
Maria Cross 9. Yarmouth, Norfolk.
Elizabeth Cross 8.
Georgiana Cross 6.
Mary A Cross 5.
George Cross 1.

Others born St Pancras.

[Jimmy]

1841. Great Yarmouth.
Charles Goss 20. Tailors App.

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1841. Great Yarmouth.
Maria Goss 20.
Charles Goss 20. Tailor.