John James from Halesowen

[minishant1]

Hi there

I'm new and this is my first post. I'm trying to find where John James was born and who his parents were and wondered if anyone could help me. I know he married a Sarah Green somewhere in the middle of the 1880s. She came from Clent. They had a daughter called Alice, amongst quite a few other children. They all lived in Tipton/Dudley when they first married. That's all I know, I'm afraid.

Thanks.

Minishant1

[Antie Em]

Hello - and Welcome to the forum

John and Sarah might have married at Christ Church in Coseley in 1893

Have a look at this site : http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

You can search for marriages and it will give you the name of the church were they were married. You can then get a copy of the cert from the register office, or if you have access, from Dudley Archives for about 60p rather than £9.00

[snoopysue]

Welcome to the forum

[Antie Em]

Hello again

do you have any approximate dates of birth for John and Sarah - do you already have them on any census.

[minishant1]

Thanks for your replies. Going by the census information I have, John was born about 1827 and Sarah a couple of years afterwards. Are the Dudley archives online then?

[Antie Em]

Thanks for your replies. Going by the census information I have, John was born about 1827 and Sarah a couple of years afterwards. Are the Dudley archives online then?

The information from Dudley Archives isn't online. The marriages are online, but you would have to visit the archives in coseley, or you can contact them and they will send you a copy of the marriage.

What census information to you have ?

[snoopysue]

Have you checked this site out?

www.familysearch.org?

You need to be a little careful as some records are submitted by members, and some are extracted (transcribed from the records), but they can help you get a bit further back! Try looking at the links section too!

[Jimmy]

1901. 39 Mount Pleasant, West Bromwich.
Joseph H Hale 28
Mary P Hale 31
Joseph H Hale 5
John James 75. Father in Law. Retired Stock Taker. West Bromwich.
Sarah James 73. Mother in Law. Clent.

1881.
John JAMES Head M Male 55 Hales Owen, Worcester, England Pig Weigher (Iron)
Sarah JAMES Wife M Female 53 Clent, Worcester, England Pig Weigher (Iron)
Sarah J. JAMES Daur U Female 19 Tipton, Stafford, England
Alice JAMES Daur U Female 17 Tipton, Stafford, England Dress Maker
John W. JAMES Son Male 15 Tipton, Stafford, England Axle Maker (...)
Emily JAMES Daur Female 12 Tipton, Stafford, England Scholar
Mary P. JAMES Daur Female 11 West Bromwich, Stafford, England Scholar

49 Lewisham Rd.
Harborne, Stafford.

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1849.
JAMES John. GREEN Sarah. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/009/212.

[minishant1]

Hi Antie Em

They're on the 1851 Census as follows:

1851 England Census
Name: John James
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah James
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: Ocker Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
John James 25
Sarah James 23
Mary A James 1

They're also on the 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses but by 1871 they'd moved to Smethwick. Alice, my great-grandmother, was born in 1863 (November) and was married in the Kings Norton parish.

[Antie Em]

That's the one that Jimmy found then - so they're more likely to have been married in the 1840's or 1850's than the 1880's.

The marriage Jimmy found at St Thomas in Dudley, is likely to be the one, if they married in the area.

[Jimmy]

This looks a possible, looks like James on the image, with an Alice connection.


1841. Marian Lane, Lapal. Hales Owen.
Thomas Janes 45. Nailer.
Sarah Janes 20.
John Janes 15.
Benjamin Janes 10.
Mary Janes 4.
Alice Janes 80.

All born in County.

[minishant1]

Wow, I can't believe all the help you've given me already and I've only been on here a short while. Thank you so much Antie Em and Jimmy, all of you who've replied. Right, so if I get the Marriage Certificate for John and Sarah, will that give me Johns's parents' names and the place of his birth?

[Antie Em]

Wow, I can't believe all the help you've given me already and I've only been on here a short while. Thank you so much Antie Em and Jimmy, all of you who've replied. Right, so if I get the Marriage Certificate for John and Sarah, will that give me Johns's parents' names and the place of his birth?

Here's the St Thomas Marriage
9 April 1849 - St Thomas, Dudley
John James, 23, Bachelor, Stock Taker, of Dudley, Father John James, Farmer
Sarah Green (X), 21, Spinster, of Dudley, Father Joseph Green (Dec) Sinker
Witnesses : James (Bache??) and Ann Green (X)

[Antie Em]

Hello again

The marriage says they're both living in Dudley, this is not neccesarily the truth of where they are living or where they were born. They sometimes said this just so that they could marry at that church.

Maggie