*Archive* Sylvia WEAVER-John RAY-James Henry EVANS triangle!

[serreth]

All day this has perplexed me completely but it has already been sort of discussed here.

So my problem...

I have Sylvia WEAVER on my family tree here married to James Henry EVANS.

James Henry EVANS (Henry) b.ABT 1845 d. ? married Sylvia WEAVER b.ABT 1845 d.ABT 1911 in Jan-Feb-Mar 1869.
From what I can find they had 8 children born between 1870 and 1886.

As I can see from the previous thread Sylvia WEAVER also appeared to marry John RAY in 1877.

This has caused me to wonder whether I have the wrong Sylvia added to my tree therefore the wrong surname.

or

I have found the wrong family on the census and therefore the wrong children.

I also understand that Sylvia and John RAY cannot be found anywhere after their marriage which again leads me to believe that my ancestor James Henry EVANS did not marry Sylvia Weaver but another Sylvia.

Have I confused any of you yet? I know I'm lost but could I do right by deleting Sylvia WEAVER... The frustrating thing is that all the dates add up correctly!

If you have got this far, thank you!

(Please feel free to add this to the other thread if needs be!)

[serreth]

OOoh a puzzle.....

1869
WEAVER * Sylvia EVANS James H Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/004/209

have you got the details of this marriage

Nope, not yet...

I'm going to be attempting to get hold of a certificate as soon as Christmas is over and done with. I think it's going to be the only way I am able to verify how correct the info I have is....
I'm actually not 100% on how accurate the fact I have James Henry EVANS is. I have the marriage certificate somewhere of his daughter Henrietta M. EVANS (aka Henry EVANS) and Foley HUGHES somewhere. I'm sure that said Henry EVANS as her father.

[serreth]

Shall I bring that thread back?

do we have some census as somat funny here
her dob doesnt match marriage
and she is wid on marriage but name doesnt change

need details on that other marriage

Bringing that thread back and merging these posts with it could prove to be the thing to do.


I have Sylvia WEAVER on the 1851 and 1861 census with her parents Samuel and Phebe?

Then I have Sylvia EVANS and Henry EVANS on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census.

1871 - James Henry is 25 years and has been transcribed as Jasthy EVANS. He can be found along with his wife, Sylvia aged 25, and their son, Walter aged 4 months. They lived in Quarry Bank.

1881 - Henry is 35 years. Sylvia is also 35 years but has been transcribed as Lylvia EVANS. Their children are (s)Walter, 11, (s)Henry, 7, (d)Susannah, 3 (transcribed as 13) and (s)James, 1. They are still living in Quarry Bank.

1891 - Henry is 45 years. Sylvia is also 45 years. Their children are (s)Walter, 20, (d)Susan, 13, (s)Thomas, 11, (s)John, 8, (d)Alice, 6 and (s) Arthur, 5. They are still living in Quarry Bank.


The Henry on the 1881 census is the right age for my gg Grandmother Henrietta M. EVANS and if I was to go on the 1901 census she is also named as Henry there.

[Northern Lass]

only looks like one to me

1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
WEAVER Sylvia Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/022/16

[serreth]

Right, I have now searched the BMD record on ancestry..

And I can only find TWO Sylvia WEAVER's who married between 1866 and 1876.

Name: Sylvia Weaver
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dudley (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 13

Others on page are:

Charles Butler 1869 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Ann Homer 1869 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Ann Horner 1869 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Sylvia Weaver 1869 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire







Name: Sylvia Weaver
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 206

Others on page are:
Solomon Johnson 1877 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
John Ray 1877 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Sylvia Weaver 1877 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Olive Rebecca Willetts 1877 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire



James Henry Can be found with the following info!

Name: James Henry EVANS
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 13

I will be getting hold of a copy of the marriage cert asap!

[peterd]

i will bring back the other topic and lock it

[Northern Lass]

I think that gap is quite big between Henry on 1881 aged 7and susannah in 1881 aged 3

first marriage 1869
then Walter and Henry
then 2nd marriage 1877 ....odd one as she is wid but has maiden name..

then 1878 has Susannah

1874-1878.........hmmm

[cid]

1871 Dunns Bank Kingswinford

EVANS, Jas Hy Head M 25 1846 Staffordshire occupation looks like Shingler???
EVANS, Sylvia Wife F 25 1846 Worcestershire
EVANS, Walter Son M 0 1871 Worcestershire

Nesxt Door

EVANS Richard Head 66 Spade ??? Turner?? Worcs Stourbridge
EVANS Elizabeth Wife 62 -do-

[serreth]

this site is very good if you dont know of it
it has both sylvias marriages on

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/cgi/m ... ds#surname

put in the names and the years and see what you get.

can someone post the census pls that would be helpful to look at

wonder if she marries both of them?

there is only one sylvia born in that time frame
the one in 1856 poss dies 1866

if you want to save £9 I will look the 1869 up

I have the death details of Sylvia EVANS here

Name: Sylvia Evans
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 66
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 190


I'm not sure how far out Stourbridge is compared to Dudley though.

It's certainly food for thought.

That would be great if you could do the look up for me! Thanks

[serreth]

I think that gap is quite big between Henry on 1881 aged 7and susannah in 1881 aged 3

first marriage 1869
then Walter and Henry
then 2nd marriage 1877 ....odd one as she is wid but has maiden name..

then 1878 has Susannah

1874-1878.........hmmm

That's what I thought.. Maybe the other children were from 2nd marriage but why are they Evans' and why would James Henry still be head rather than John RAY?

[serreth]

1871 Dunns Bank Kingswinford

EVANS, Jas Hy Head M 25 1846 Staffordshire occupation looks like Shingler???
EVANS, Sylvia Wife F 25 1846 Worcestershire
EVANS, Walter Son M 0 1871 Worcestershire

Nesxt Door

EVANS Richard Head 66 Spade ??? Turner?? Worcs Stourbridge
EVANS Elizabeth Wife 62 -do-

The Richard EVANS and Elizabeth next door are the parents of James Henry I think... Although he has a different name again on the previous census. All very confusing.

[Northern Lass]

have we got their regis births?

wonder if she went off with JOhn Ray and then came back?

what are the kids regis as?

[cid]

1881 Birch Coppice Kingswinford

EVANS, Henry Head Married M 34 1847 Iron Worker Kingswinford Staffordshire
EVANS, Lylvia Wife Married F 34 1847 Chain Maker Dudley Worcestershire
EVANS, Walter Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Dudley Worcestershire
EVANS, Henry Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Dudley Worcestershire
EVANS, Sushannah Daughter Single F 3 1878 Dudley Worcestershire
EVANS, James Son Single M 1 1880 Kwinford Staffordshire

[Northern Lass]

Look!!

1877
RAY Susannah Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/150/77

[serreth]

Look!!

1877
RAY Susannah Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/150/77

Ooooooooohhhhhh!!! I didn't think of checking the kids registered!

ooooohhh.. so what's happened to good old John?