ARC TBC - Jane Douglas

[mikeblake101]

My great great grandmother Jane DOUGLAS (occasionally DOUGLASS) was born around 1858 according to most sources I have found. However, I have been unable to find a birth certificate or baptism record and I can't find anything out about her parents other than from her wedding certificate where her father is William DOUGLAS, an engineer.
She married Robert HAYWOOD in Whitechapel 1876 and they are both age 18 on the certificate and both living in Newcastle Street.
In the 1891 census Jane HEYWOOD is shown as age 32 and Robert is 33 (or possibly 30) and Jane's birthplace is given as Newington, London (i.e. Surrey).
She died later in 1891 and is age 33 on the death certificate.
On the 1881 census I have found Jane HAYWOOD age 29 a brush maker b. London married to Robert age 31 sugar refiner. All the details including their children fit apart from Jane and Robert's ages.
There is a Jane Douglas on the 1871 census age 14 working in Newington as a servant which could be her. Place of birth is Surrey Lambeth.
I can't find her on the 1861 census but there appear to be significant gaps in that census around the Southwark / Lambeth area where she may well have been living.
I have investigated Jane DOUGLAS and DOUGLASS born in Surrey around that date as shown on Free BMB by tracing them through censuses and I have ruled them all out mainly because the father is not William - though I haven't proven this by ordering birth certificates.
I've been using Ancestry. Any ideas where I might go next to find out details of her birth or parents?

[peterd]

who were the witnesses on the marriage ?

poss submitted though

Jane Louisa Douglas
Birth: SEP 1856 Lambeth,Surrey, , London,

Father: William Douglas
Mother: Susan Gantlett

[peterd]

poss mar

Marriages Mar 1841
Douglas William St Saviours 4 378
Gantlett Susan St Saviours 4 378


so can we find these on all census please ?

[peterd]

poss

1851: 7 ward st, lambeth

William Douglas 51 stonemason
Susan Douglas 38
James Douglas 9
John Douglas 9
George Douglas 5
Elizabeth Douglas 2
Hannah Roads 17

[peterd]

1861: 7 ward st, lambeth

William Douglas 63 stonemason scotland
Susan Douglas 48 st giles
James Douglas 19 blacksmith
John Douglas 19 carpenter
George Douglas 15 copper plate printer
Elizabeth Douglas 12
Walter Douglas 9
Susan Douglas 6
Jane Louisa 4
rest born lambeth

[peterd]

1841 lambeth

Wm Dauglus 45 stonemason
Susan Dauglus 30

[peterd]

1891 Mile End Old Town

Robert Heywood 33 labourer
Jane Heywood 32
Maria Heywood 12
John Heywood 8
William Heywood 6
Ann Heywood 4
James Heywood 1

carnt find that 1881 ?

[MarkCDodd]

I notice his name is Robert Hayward in the Parish Register.

But then again, he signed with an X so it is probably just a clerical error....

[MarkCDodd]

Looking for potential fathers in the general area in 1871....based on being an Engineer (this search you can't do on Ancestry, or Find My Past, except for a couple of census).

5 Rope Walk, Chatham, Kent

Douglas William S 44 Head Engineer Of Hill Drilling Stockport On Teas, -
Douglas Harriet 46 Wife - Feaversham, Kent
Gudgin Harriet 76 Mother - Eynesford, Kent

or

22 Elder Place, Brighton, Sussex

Douglas William 31 Head Engineer Machinist Sussex, Sussex
Douglas Sarah 40 Wife - Bath, Somerset
Douglas Sophia 80 Mother - Bath, Somerset

or

Kingswood Road, Clifton St. George, Gloucestershire

Douglas William 32 Head Engineer -, Scotland
Douglas Mary 59 Wife - Berwick, Northumberland

[MarkCDodd]

Another thing ANcestry doesn't do correctly is search on name variations.

Jessie and Jane are interchangeable.

So this is another potential family in 1861.

1861 census transcription details for: 29, Wootton Street, St Mary Lambeth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 366 Folio: 3 Page: 12

Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: 1 Waterloo Road First (Part) (Divided Between Rg9/346, 348
Parish: St Mary Lambeth Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew Lambeth City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 29, Wootton Street, St Mary Lambeth
County: London, Surrey

DOUGLAS, William Head Married M 37 1824 Book Binder Aldbury, Kent
DOUGLAS, Margaret Wife Married F 34 1827 St Saviour Southwark, Surrey
DOUGLAS, Margaret Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar St George the Martyr Southwark, Surrey
DOUGLAS, William Son M 9 1852 Scholar St George the Martyr Southwark, Surrey
DOUGLAS, Emma Mary Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey
DOUGLAS, Jessie Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar Christchurch Southwark, Surrey
DOUGLAS, Alexander Son M 2 1859 Lambeth, Surrey

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