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ARC TBC - James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:01 pm
by peterd
mommy_edwards wrote:Hi, I need help finding my 10 year brick wall - James Powell, supposedly from Rowley Regis. According to census, marriage and death records, James was born about 1820 in Rowley but I have searched and searched the parish registers of the area and immediately beyond. James Powell married Mary Ann Jarvis at St Thomas' Dudley in 1842. Gave his father as William Powell. NT on 1841 census in the area. Mary and James had Rosannah, Mary Ann, Eliza, Ruth, James and George. Any clues gratefully received.
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mommy_edwards wrote:Wow! You lot are good!
I wasn't expecting such a response. I have more information.
On 1871 census, James was living with John Powell, listed as his Uncle. On another census (I forget which, sorry) John Powell is living with a William Powell and Sarah Powell as brother. On another census (1871??), William Powell is possible mis-transcribed as Thomas and has a sister, Mary Powell, living with him.
The marriage of John Powell and Mary Grove gives John's father as William Powell. The marriage of William Powell to Sarah Wakeman gives father as William Powell. It is my belief therefore, that James Powell had a brother WIlliam Powell who had at least 3 children- William, John and Mary. What do you think?
There is another discussion thread relating to William Powell and Sarah Wakeman, which, to my knowledge, has not thrown up any light on the origins of this family. William Powell was a widower when he married Sarah Wakeman.
Interestingly, I had missed the Benjamin Powell as witness. Also, there is a Cradley in the West Midlands but it is on the Worcs/Staffs border not Worcs/Hereford border. That Cradley is near Malvern, I think.
Thanks People and please, please keep helping me cos I am well and truly STUCK.
Jayne
marriage
rockyfowler wrote:28 Nov 1842 St Thomas Dudley
James POWELL F B Miner Netherton Father William Powell Nailer
Mary Ann JARVIS F B Netherton Father William Jarvis Miner The Marks of Both
Wit; Benjamin Powell X Ann Barnsley X
mommy_edwards wrote:s this the same william ? james and job brothers ?
28 Nov 1842 St Thomas Dudley
James POWELL F B Miner Netherton Father William Powell Nailer
Mary Ann JARVIS F B Netherton Father William Jarvis Miner The Marks of Both
Wit; Benjamin Powell X Ann Barnsley X
That's my James. Curse the common name! however, on the original register it is
Benjamin ROUND and Ann Barnsley.
anyway of checking this RF Please ?1851. Back of Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis.
James Powell 30. Coalminer.
Mary A Powell 27. Dudley.
Rosannah Powell 8.
Mary A Powell 2.
Others born Rowley Regis
Anyone find anymore census please
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:29 pm
by sparkstopper
1861 Census: Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
James POWELL hd. 36 Coal Miner b. Rowley
Mary A POWELL wife 38 Nailer b. Dudley
Rose POWELL dau.18 Nailer b. Rowley
Mary A.POWELL dau.12 Nailer b. Rowley
Ruth POWELL dau. 8 Nailer b. Rowley
Eliza POWELL dau. 6 b. Row.
James POWELL son 4 b. Row.
George POWELL son 2 b. Row.
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:56 pm
by rockyfowler
marriage
rockyfowler wrote:28 Nov 1842 St Thomas Dudley
James POWELL F B Miner Netherton Father William Powell Nailer
Mary Ann JARVIS F B Netherton Father William Jarvis Miner The Marks of Both
Wit; Benjamin Powell X Ann Barnsley X
DEF Benjamin ROUND My Mistake
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm
by peterd
sparkstopper wrote:1861 Census: Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
James POWELL hd. 36 Coal Miner b. Rowley
Mary A POWELL wife 38 Nailer b. Dudley
Rose POWELL dau.18 Nailer b. Rowley
Mary A.POWELL dau.12 Nailer b. Rowley
Ruth POWELL dau. 8 Nailer b. Rowley
Eliza POWELL dau. 6 b. Row.
James POWELL son 4 b. Row.
George POWELL son 2 b. Row.
think this is deffo eliza in other topic as mary and ruth are there in 1881 census with them mary age out but think 1881 should be 58 not 50 ?
marriage look up says father james miner
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =260058398
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:37 pm
by peterd
is this james in 1871 ?
1871 Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
John Powell 23 coal miner
Mary Powell 32
Sarah Greve 8 (poss Grove)
John Greve 4
James Powell 49 Uncle coal miner
all born rowley
cart work out if is says single ?
POWELL John GROVE Mary 1869 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/027/265
will put on for look up
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:19 pm
by mommy_edwards
That is him, living with John Powell. His wife Mary Ann is on census as Jane Powel, living around the corner. she has the 3 youngest kids with her.
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:33 pm
by Northern Lass
Hi Mommy Edwards I know pete has put these on for a look up
and you mentioned getting certifs
do let me know which ones you get will you then we don't repeat the info
and if you don't mind sharing the info by posting it that would be great too.
I have added some to the list but it will be a while before they are done.
so if you do need them quicker and it is only as and when we go etc, then you are
best to send for them from regis office.
Do think about using Dudley and Sandwell they are both excellent registry offices and very
very helpful
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:51 pm
by mommy_edwards
Have sent for
Eliza Powell Gideon Steventon
Elizabeth Powell William Siviter
William Powell and Selena (Walker???)
Will def let you know. Does Black Country Connections record just that, connections between people in the Black Country? I have lots more from RR area to share if you like?
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:41 pm
by Northern Lass
mommy_edwards wrote:Have sent for
Eliza Powell Gideon Steventon
Elizabeth Powell William Siviter
William Powell and Selena (Walker???)
Will def let you know. Does Black Country Connections record just that, connections between people in the Black Country? I have lots more from RR area to share if you like?
Ok well if you don't mind posting the info on those when you get them I can add them to the tree
and knock them off look ups
Yes BCC is about your connections with the BC area
so don't have to be already on, a new family can be started and then your name added.
RR area is good ..........pm me and we can have a chat
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:55 am
by Northern Lass
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:11 pm
by Northern Lass
Ok do we have James on a prev census pls
or a bapt
and he is supposed to have a brother William can we find him too pls
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =661036796William the brother of James poss has kids
John Powell who marries Mary Grove
William who marries Sarah Wakeman
and a Mary
"John Powell is living with a William Powell and Sarah Powell as brother.
On another census (1871??), William Powell is possible mis-transcribed as Thomas and has a sister, Mary Powell, living with him.
The marriage of John Powell and Mary Grove gives John's father as William Powell.
The marriage of William Powell to Sarah Wakeman gives father as William Powell.
It is my belief therefore, that James Powell had a brother WIlliam Powell who had at least 3 children- William, John and Mary...."mommy edwards
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:13 pm
by Northern Lass
Jimmy wrote:1841. Kingswinford.
James Powel 20. Stoneminer. Born in county.
Elizabeth Cox 10.
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:32 pm
by Northern Lass
So are William and Job brothers
peterd wrote:submitted
Job POWELL
Father: William POWELL
Mother: Elizabeth COLLINGBOROUGH
Spouse: Mary Ann PECKEN
Christening: 12 MAR 1811
Marriage: About 1835 Of, Old Swinford, Worcester
is this the same william ? james and job brothers ?
28 Nov 1842 St Thomas Dudley
James POWELL F B Miner Netherton Father William Powell Nailer
Mary Ann JARVIS F B Netherton Father William Jarvis Miner The Marks of Both
Wit; Benjamin Powell X Ann Barnsley X
any bapts?
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:49 pm
by Northern Lass
Where is this John in prev censsu pls
1871 Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
John Powell 23 coal miner
Mary Powell 32
Sarah Greve 8 (poss Grove)
John Greve 4
James Powell 49 Uncle coal miner
all born rowley
Re: James Powell & Mary Ann Jarvis of Rowley Regis
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:57 pm
by Northern Lass
who is this William?
son of William bro of James?
1881 South St, Harborne, Stafford
John H. STEVENTON 25 Oldbury, Worcester, General Haulier
Annie M. STEVENTON 23 Smethwick, Stafford,
George H. STEVENTON 11 m Smethwick, Stafford,
William POWELL Lodger 24 Oldbury, Worcester, Agent
can we find prev census for him pls