UPDATE---William Grove b abt 1828

[dumblonde]

He is living in household of Thomas Grove in 1841 census -
William Grove 13 boatman see BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =381943444

1841 Census Dog Lane Rowley Regis
Thos Grove 80 nailer not of this county
Thos Grove 40 nailer of this county
Anne Grove 48 nailer of this county
Isaac Grove 15 labourer of this county
John Grove labourer of this county
Wm Grove 13 boatman of this county
Wm Grove 7 ofthis county


1881 census Old Hill Rowley Regis
240 Halesowen Road
William Grove head mar 53 Banksman at colliery b Old Hill
Phoebe Grove wife 53 nailer --do---
William Grove son un 19 labourer at a colliery b--do--
Joseph Grove son un 13 scholar b --do--

[dumblonde]

Soz not sure where he fits in but obviously same family

[dumblonde]

William age 17 (on 1851 census) is a different William fromWilliam b abt 1828. Will age 17 is Ann's illigit son. I don't know whose son Will age 13 boatman on 1841 census is. Need to find him age 23 in 1851

[peterd]

1871 Halesowen rd, rowley regis

William Grove 43 colliery banksman
Felice Grove 43
Mary Ann Grove 15
William Grove 10
Joseph Grove 4
Hannah Welding 14 lodger
all born RR



poss mar

GROVE William SMITH Philis 1847 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/008/344

[peterd]

William age 17 (on 1851 census) is a different William fromWilliam b abt 1828. Will age 17 is Ann's illigit son. I don't know whose son Will age 13 boatman on 1841 census is. Need to find him age 23 in 1851

there a submitted one for c1827 thomas and ann

there is a 40 year old thomas in the 1841 census could it be his son ?

[peterd]

1861 Old Hill, Rowley Regis

William Grove 33 pit banksman
Phillis Grove 33 nailor
Thomas Grove 13 coal miner
Hannah Grove 7
Mary A Grove 4
John Grove 2
William Jennings 16 nephew, coal miner
all born RR

[dumblonde]

Yes I think poss and Isaac and John both 15his sons too, wife dead?

[Northern Lass]

1871 Halesowen rd, rowley regis

William Grove 43 colliery banksman
Felice Grove 43
Mary Ann Grove 15
William Grove 10
Joseph Grove 4
Hannah Welding 14 lodger
all born RR



poss mar

GROVE William SMITH Philis 1847 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/008/344

Is this the same William?

1881 census Old Hill Rowley Regis
240 Halesowen Road
William Grove head mar 53 Banksman at colliery b Old Hill
Phoebe Grove wife 53 nailer --do------------------------------------------------------should this say Phills...does it on image???
William Grove son un 19 labourer at a colliery b--do--
Joseph Grove son un 13 scholar b --do--

So William Aged 13 on 1841 could be son of Thomas?

if those 2 census above are same Wm stick the marriage for a look up
we can see if father is a Thomas

[dianel]

Is this the same William?

1881 census Old Hill Rowley Regis
240 Halesowen Road
William Grove head mar 53 Banksman at colliery b Old Hill
Phoebe Grove wife 53 nailer --do------------------------------------------------------should this say Phills...does it on image???
William Grove son un 19 labourer at a colliery b--do--
Joseph Grove son un 13 scholar b --do--

So William Aged 13 on 1841 could be son of Thomas?

if those 2 census above are same Wm stick the marriage for a look up
we can see if father is a Thomas

Image says 'Phoebe', but there are several households of Smiths living next door.

Poss?
1891 At 41 Queen St., Old Hill, Rowley Regis
William Grove Head 23 Painter b. Staffs., Old Hill
Hannah Grove Wife 23 Dressmaker b. Staffs., Old Hill
Wesley Grove Son 2 b. Staffs., Old Hill
Phylis Grove Grand Mother Wid 73 b. Staffs., Old Hill

A family of Smiths next door again.

[dianel]

1861 Old Hill, Rowley Regis

William Grove 33 pit banksman
Phillis Grove 33 nailor
Thomas Grove 13 coal miner
Hannah Grove 7
Mary A Grove 4
John Grove 2
William Jennings 16 nephew, coal miner
all born RR

Poss?
1891 At 41 Queen St., Old Hill, Rowley Regis
William Grove Head 23 Painter b. Staffs., Old Hill
Hannah Grove Wife 23 Dressmaker b. Staffs., Old Hill
Wesley Grove Son 2 b. Staffs., Old Hill
Phylis Grove Grand Mother Wid 73 b. Staffs., Old Hill

A family of Smiths next door again.

???
1871 at 9 Hawk St., Barrow
Thos Grove Head 27 Furnaceman b. Old Hill, Staffs.
Sarah Ann Grove Wife b. Old Hill, Staffs24
Ann Grove Daur 7 School b. Old Hill, Staffs
George Grove Son 4 School b. Old Hill, Staffs
Wm Grove Son 2 Infant b. Old Hill, Staffs
Thos Grove Son 3 Days Infant b. Old Hill, Staffs

[Northern Lass]

What we doin on this one?

I don't have time to add any of this
so if anyone else can but we need that marriage before we link Wm to Thomas on bcc

[dumblonde]

Can anyone find 1851 Census for William - he would be 23 ?

[Jimmy]

1851. Old Hill.
William Groves 23. Coal miner.
Fillis Groves 22.
Thomas Groves 3.

All born Rowley Regis.

[Jimmy]

William Grove.
Bride's Name Philis Smith.
Marriage Date 26 Dec 1847.
Marriage Place Saint Thomas,Dudley, Worcestershire.

[Jimmy]

???
1871 at 9 Hawk St., Barrow
Thos Grove Head 27 Furnaceman b. Old Hill, Staffs.
Sarah Ann Grove 24 Wife b. Old Hill, Staffs.
Ann Grove Daur 7 School b. Old Hill, Staffs
George Grove Son 4 School b. Old Hill, Staffs
Wm Grove Son 2 Infant b. Old Hill, Staffs.
Thos Grove Son 3 Days Infant b. Old Hill, Staffs.

Possible marriage,
Thomas Grove.
Groom's Birth Date 1842.
Groom's Age 21.
Bride's Name Sarah Ann Johnson.
Bride's Birth Date 1844.
Bride's Age 19.
Marriage Date 25 Dec 1863.
Marriage Place St. Edmund'S, Dudley, Worcester.
Groom's Father's Name Isaac Grove.
Bride's Father's Name Benjamin Johnson.