Burning of poppies in London-today

[a5baggie]

Despicable act- today of all days.

I am disgusted to put it politley.!!!!!!!!

[peterd]

round them up, lock them up, deport the ones not from britain, and procecute the rest with tough sentences they might get the message, and shame on that judge that allowed them to protest at the trial of the attempted murder of the MP, me or you would of be held it contempt of court locked in the cells and dealt with afterward it getting one rule for people who practice the muslim religion (dosent matter on colour or race) and one rule for the rest of use.

[grangers14]

I have just read about it!
A friend said about it and didnt really believe it. Looking on a search engine this came up
May not be best to see
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1191794
I thought it was about it and not for it!!!!!

Shame on them!
Pack them up and put them on a slow boat back to where they are from!

Im no way raciast and know people who are Muslim, I know wouldnt behave like that!

I wouldnt normally comment on things like this but feel so strongly about this. Wheres Britains back bone?
Jo

[peterd]

the questions i would like answered jo if the majority of muslims are against this then why

1 why are they all to enter a mosque never mind preach there garbage in one ?

2 so called thousands of different muslim organisation, be luck if half a dozen condem them and that will because political pressure wiil be put on them?

3 why arnt the muslim moderates protesting agianst them like united against fascium does agianst the EDL?

make you wonder

im not agianst any race, religion, colour, but i was always brought up to be proud of where your from and your country, this should not come second to any religion or cult or organisation.

[MarkCDodd]

Islam is a far more forgiving and tolerant religion than Christianity.

Their religion teaches that no person should be forced to convert to Islam and that innocents are never to be targeted in a war.

All religions can be used to recruit the poor and ignorant to undertake sacriligious acts.

How many lives have been lost to "Good Christians" doing "God's Work"??

Those who preach hatred are a minority of Muslims.

People who do stunts like this are hypocrits of the highest order.

If they were to undertake such an act in some of the Muslim countries they would be shot.

If they think so little of the democracy and freedom of speech won by those who the died on the battelfield then take it away from them.

But please, lets not confuse real Muslims with this pack of idiots.

[peterd]

so mark why dont the real muslims stand up agianst them ?

[Rob]

I agree with Peterd.Why aren't these Muslim clerics damning them in public?
My personal views i will keep close to my chest but i will say ,and i'm not a racist,i live in dread of where the world will be when my grandchildren are adults.

[snoopysue]

Anyone who burns religious symbols deserves condemnation, be it poppies, bibles, koran - it is so respectless, and designed to stir up bad feelings. Burning poppies somehow seems even more dispicable as they are a symbol of rememberance.
I'm not particulary religious, but I respect other peoples beliefs - whatever they are. Having said that I deplore fanatacism in all shapes and forms.

[MarkCDodd]

It would be like the Pope saying that a bunch of Protestants are wrong.

Like Christianity there are different "denominations" within Islam and those who are recruited are told they are following the only real one.

So condemnation from an Islamic leader who is not of their denomination means nothing at all.

[peterd]

So condemnation from an Islamic leader who is not of their denomination means nothing at all.

so most major religous leaders condemmed it, but the islamic leaders of the other faiths sunni and shia which counts for the majority of islam couldn't be bothered to condem them that practice the Shari'a Law of islam, then all there doing is condoning it in the eyes of the masses, this will just increase the religous tension within the uk.

as under shari'a law any none muslim should be put to death as a non beliver if he refuses to accept there interpritation of the islamic faith.

Shiites mainly in Iran and Sunni mainly in Saudi both practice a form of shari'a law but niether religious leader of both denomination have or will come out to condem it as the would be condeming there brothers and sister for non believers

so if the goverments in the uk doesnt sort it one way or another i can see enoch powells statement comming true but not agianst the people who he thought it would be ? (as you notice the grow in the EDl and such like)

not neccessary what i believe, but this is due to 25 years of mis manage immigration which austrialia has some of the toughest in the world hence a smaller percentage of muslims in the country ie less than 500,000 and most of them will be educated to a higher standard than the average, or they wouldnt of been allowed in mark, so its easy to speak from the posistion your in

[snoopysue]

So condemnation from an Islamic leader who is not of their denomination means nothing at all.

You're right Mark - if they don't respect the person who's condeming burning of poppies, they wont respect the condemnation.

not neccessary what i believe, but this is due to 25 years of mis manage immigration which austrialia has some of the toughest in the world hence a smaller percentage of muslims in the country ie less than 500,000 and most of them will be educated to a higher standard than the average, or they wouldnt of been allowed in mark, so its easy to speak from the posistion your in

They're changing the law in Denmark so that immigrants who want to bring their spouse to Denmark will have to fulfill certain criteria and gain points. Education, and language skills as well as work experience will all count. The old laws were introduced to help prevent arranged marriages where the spouse was from another country, and the spouse had to be over 24, but with the new rules age is irrelevant. They haven't hammered out the details yet, but it's going to be controversial, and maybe go against EU law!

[peterd]

So condemnation from an Islamic leader who is not of their denomination means nothing at all.

You're right Mark - if they don't respect the person who's condeming burning of poppies, they wont respect the condemnation.

no they might not respect the condemnation, but it would go a long way to unite the moderate muslims with the general population by condemming it, which to my knowledge hasn't happen as of yet, which im sure the daily newspapers would of pick up on this point if it had occured.

[MarkCDodd]

Another factor that makes such announcements unlikely are the "fatwā" that the fanatics are happy to call down on public figures who offend.

"Fatwā" does not really mean "sentence of death" but that is the term the western media have adopted when somebody is condemmed to death by a muslim cleric.

A high ranking Muslim who denounced the terrorists would find themselves the target of fanatical assasins.

[peterd]

Another factor that makes such announcements unlikely are the "fatwā" that the fanatics are happy to call down on public figures who offend.

"Fatwā" does not really mean "sentence of death" but that is the term the western media have adopted when somebody is condemmed to death by a muslim cleric.

A high ranking Muslim who denounced the terrorists would find themselves the target of fanatical assasins.

so the extremists get away with it as the high ranking muslims wont denounce them

lucky all the soldiers who died during all the conflicts, of all different faiths, didnt have the same outlook as there wouldn't be a muslims faith or quite a few others faiths around,

so they more than most, moderate or extremist of quite a few faiths should have the respect of what the poppy stand for, if we dealt with this atroccity according to there believes we wouldn't be having this disscusion as they would be here.

[MarkCDodd]

Talk to the Turkish who look after the Anzac memorials at Gallipoli.

You do not have to look far to find Muslims who respect the soldiers of WW1.

The difference between being a soldier and somebody who has a fatwa against them is odvious.

As a soldier you know who the bad guy is and have a chance to shoot back.

Others around you are not in danger just by being near you.

An Islamic Cleric would have to give up their profession.

They would never be able to preach in public again as they would never know who is a terrorist amongst the "faithfull"

How many people might they be willing to kill to get you?

Have a look at how much effort it took just to defend Salman Rushdie.