*Arc tbc*-----Elizabeth Smith b. abt 1818 Windmill End

[Dennis]

I know that looking for a Smith is often like looking for a needle in a haystack, especially before the censuses began, but I have a great great grandmother I'd like to trace further, Elizabeth Smith b. about 1817 Windmill End, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs. She married Warwick Plant 1816-1892 in 1836 at All Saints, West Bromwich and founded a dynasty of Black Country fish sellers. This is the family, any suggestion as to Elizabeth Smith's ancestry most welcome!:

Descendants of Warwick Plant


Generation No. 1

1. WARWICK8 PLANT was born Abt. Oct 1816 in Tipton, Staffordshire, and died Abt. Jun 1892 in Dudley, Worcestershire. He married ELIZABETH SMITH 25 Jul 1836 in All Saints church, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, daughter of ??. She was born Abt. 1818 in Windmill End, Netherton, Dudley, Worcestershire, and died Abt. 1884 in West Bromwich, Staffordshire.

More About WARWICK PLANT:
Christening: 13 Oct 1816, Brierley Hill, Staffs

Children of WARWICK PLANT and ELIZABETH SMITH are:
i. SARAH ANN9 PLANT, b. 1838, Windmill End, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs; d. Abt. Oct 1839, Dudley, Worcestershire.
ii. DUDLEY PLANT, b. 08 Nov 1839, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. Abt. Dec 1841, Dudley, Worcestershire.
iii. THOMAS PLANT, b. Abt. 1841, Darby Hand, Windmill End, Netherton, Dudley.
iv. RICHMOND PLANT, b. Abt. Sep 1844, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. Abt. Dec 1925, Dudley, Worcestershire.
v. ELIZABETH PLANT, b. Abt. Jun 1846, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire; d. 12 Mar 1896, 4 New Street, Oldbury, Worcestershire.
vi. JOSEPH SMITH PLANT, b. 1847, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire; d. Aft. 1901.
vii. SELINA PLANT, b. 1848, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire.
viii. SARAH ANN PLANT, b. Abt. 1850, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire.
ix. WARWICK PLANT, b. 1853, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire; d. 29 Dec 1906, Cradley, Worcestershire.

[mallosa]

1861 Marriage
PLANT Thomas COOKSEY Martha Tipton, St Paul Sandwell 40/1/150

1871: 141 Halesowen Road

Eliza Davies 16 Servant
Martha Plant 28 Dudley Wood
Thomas Plant 29 Fishmonger Windmill End
Thomas Plant 4 Son Netherton
Warrick Plant 1 Son Netherton

Looking for them in 1881

1891: 103 Salop Street, Dudley

Martha Plant 49 H Wid Greengrocer Dudley

1901: 103 Salop Street, Dudley

Martha Plant 59 H Wid Grocer Dudley
Ausken Bill 19 Servant

* Sorry Dennis, didn't read your post properly, it's Elizabeths Smith's Ancestors you are looking for! *

I'll get back to my photo's...ha! ha!

[Northern Lass]

Dennis have you looked up that marriage for the witnesses in 1836?
If not do you want me to?

If you do just add it at the bottom of the Look up requests section on the PR's dudley and smethwick look ups!




here is the link with the info Dennis has added to Connections...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

[Dennis]

Will do, many thanks, NL!

[dianel]

1851 - Langley Green, Oldbury
Warwick Plant Head 34 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Tipton
Elizabeth Plant Wife 33 b. Worcs., Netherton
Thomas Plant Son 8 Scholar b. Worcs., Netherton
Richmond Plant Son 6 b. Worcs., Netherton
Elizabeth Plant Daur 5 b. Worcs., Langley Green
Selinas Plant Daur 3 b. Worcs., Langley Green

2 entries earlier (a possible brother for Elizabeth?):
Joseph Smith Head 42 Lab at Alkali Works b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Susannah Smith Wife 41 b. Worcs., Warley
Ann Daur 19 b. Worcs., Warley
Andrew Son 13 Lab at Alkali Works b. Worcs., Warley
Gideon Son 11 Scholar b. Worcs., Warley
Levi Son 8 Scholar b. Worcs., Warley
Alfred Son 6 Scholar b. Worcs., Warley
David Son 2 b. Worcs., Langley Green

[Dennis]

Your a right about Thomas Plant's wedding in 1861, Mallosa. Many thanks to you and to Dianel for pointing it out. I must have been led astray early on in my research by an entry on the LDS site, pedigree section, which gives a Sarah Ann Baker as Thomas Plant's wife. Martha Cooksey it is (or is it Cookney?) I can't find much else about either of them, or Thomas Cookney / Cooksey (father), apart from Thomas Plant's birth 27 Oct 1841, baptism 12 Dec 1841 and that marriage, 6 May 1861 at St Paul's church, Tipton, Staffordshire. Did they emigrate, I wonder?

[Northern Lass]

Again an early marriage but if he is a brother the marriage may have clues ....

JOSEPH SMITH
Spouse: SUSANNA CORNS Marriage: 12 JUN 1826 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

Messages:
Extracted

[Dennis]

Many thanks, NL, that does look promising, just two doors away in Langley Green, families so often stuck together and helped each other then.

In the meantime I've manage to find the Marriage Notes for the 1836 West Bromwich wedding of Warwick and Elizabeth Plant:

"Warwick PLANT, BA, otp & Elizabeth SMITH,SP,otp Wit: Samuel SKELDON & Jamima COMMANDER".

Samuel Skeldon or Skelding c. 1812-1871 ("Innkeeper and Fishmonger" living with wife Ann née Plant and daughter Sarah at the Junction Inn, Low Town, Oldbury in 1861 census) was married to Ann Plant b. 1808 from a different branch (dau. of Joseph Plant and Mary Westwood of Kingswinford / Brierley Hill), m. 30 Dec 1833 St Thomas's Dudley . Perhaps he got Warwick out of the coal mines and into fish selling? Intriguing.

Jemima Commander c. 1814-1882 was born Jemima Banks and had just married John Commander 1816-1875 on 7 March 1836 at St Thomas's, Dudley He was the son of Comfort Plant 1792-1856, sister of Dudley Plant c. 1792-1832, Warwick Plant's father. So Jemima was the wife of Warwick Plant's first cousin John.

Unfortunately, interesting though it all is, it doesn't really get us very far with Elizabeth Smith's parents. The best clue could, as you suggest, NL, be in that Smith neighbour.

[Northern Lass]

Ok I will knock off the other look up and add this one!

[dianel]

I think Martha COOKSEY might be the daughter of Thomas COOKSEY and Ann COREY.

That Marriage look-up if possible, NL, might clarify.

[dianel]

1841
At Dudley Wood, Dudley
Thos Cooksey 35 Labourer
Ann Cooksey 30
Joseph Cooksey 10
Mary Cooksey 8
Wm Cooksey 6
Isaac Cooksey 2

1851
At Primrose Hill, Dudley
(All born Worcs., Dudley)
Thomas Cooksey Head 40 Nail Maker
Ann Cooksey Wife 38
Mary A Cooksey Daur 17 Nail Maker
William Cooksey Son 15 Errand Boy
Isaac Cooksey Son 13 Errand Boy
Martha Cooksey Daur 10
Sarah Cooksey Daur 8
Thomas Cooksey Son 6
Isaiah Cooksey Son 2

[Northern Lass]

Ok just check will you that I have included the ones you want on the Look up requests...

[dianel]

Yep, it's there. Thanks, NL xxx

[Dennis]

Elizabeth's Smith's baptism is likely to have been in Dudley, I would guess, NL and Dianel, a couple of miles from Windmill End, Netherton, and very probably at St Thomas's. In the likely period there were four Elizabeth Smiths christened at St Thomas's according to the IGI:

1st December 1816 daughter of Benjamin Smith and Mary;

14 December 1817 daughter of Josh. Smith and Ann;

7 June 1818 daughter of Thomas Smith and Sarah;

26 December 1819 daughter of Samuel Smith and Ann

That's unless it was, say, a Presbyterian baptism in Cradley! If I were a gambling man, I'd probably plump for Thomas Smith and Sarah Walker, who had married at St Thomas's on 31 Dec 1815, I think, or Josh. (Joshua? Joseph?) and Ann. Unfortunately I can't trace any of these folk down to the censuses...

[Northern Lass]

Have done the look up for that marriage for a Joseph Smith and Susannah Corns

12 June 1826 St Thomas Dudley
-Joseph Smith bach otp
-Susannah Corns otp spinster
-banns
-both signed
-Wit- Elizabeth Gittins and S. Paskins( think he is something to do with the church see his name a lot!)

so does that help us....who is Elizabeth Gittins?

moving this now to Brickwalls to open it up