*Arc tbc* ---Abraham and Eli Smith

[Northern Lass]

how do they connect?

I know they do but how

are they brothers

here is Abraham with dau Eliza Smith
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =485460839

and here is Eli Smith
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

now on Elis son's marriage wits are Thomas Cartwright and Eliza Smith
on the look up for Thomas Cartwright and Eliza smith her father is Abraham

they must be bros......yes?

[Antie Em]

how do they connect?

I know they do but how

are they brothers

here is Abraham with dau Eliza Smith
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =485460839

and here is Eli Smith
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

now on Elis son's marriage wits are Thomas Cartwright and Eliza Smith
on the look up for Thomas Cartwright and Eliza smith her father is Abraham

they must be bros......yes?

I think they probably are brothers, especially as they live so close together. Do you want me to add any more to the tree ? Shell we make them brothers (with a note)?

[Northern Lass]

We need proof really
what have we got?
any bapts?

where are they both living?

don't want to connect until we have more info

[Antie Em]

Don't think we'll get the baptisms. There's a lot of Oldbury stuff missing - at least Christ Church is now going on the IGI - not sure how much is on there yet though. I could trawl through the early records for Christ Church - but this could take ages.

[Northern Lass]

any marriages for either of them?

we can check wits

do we have them on census at all to check dob too and place of birth

[Annie]

???

1881 Ash Tree Broadwell Rd Oldbury
Thomas Cartwright 63 head marr coal miner
Eliza Cartwright 59 wife marr
Abraham Cartwright 30 son
Ann M. Cartwright 16 dau
Mary Hale 13 g.dau
Betsy Hale 6 g.dau
Lilly Hale 8 g.dau
Ann M. Hale g.dau
John Hale 3 g.son
George Porter 25 boarder
Eliza Porter 24 wife

1851 Church Bridge OldburyThomas Cartwright 33 head marr coal miner
Eliza Cartwright 28 wife marr nailer
Phillips Cartwright 10 dau Sunday ? Scholar
James Cartwright 7 son
Thomas Cartwright 2 son
Abraham Cartwright 3 MO son




Annie

[Northern Lass]

rite this is her bapt

9 June 1822 St Giles Rowley Regis
Eliza d of Abraham and Phillis Smith Oldbury nailer

need marriage now for Abraham

[Northern Lass]

and few others on IGi
one in 1819 at St Giles RR
Isaac s of Abraham and Phillis Smith Oldbury nailer

[Northern Lass]

This is submitted needs checking
anyone got Halesowen regis pls

ABRAHAM SMITH
Marriages:
Spouse: PHYLLIS LOWE
Marriage: 19 JUL 1813 Halesowen, Worcester,
Record submitted

[Northern Lass]

Can't see marriage for Eli and Ann

[Annie]

There are a lot of submitted records on family search for Eli and Abraham Smith but can't find one with same parents so far.

Annie

[Antie Em]

This is submitted needs checking
anyone got Halesowen regis pls

ABRAHAM SMITH
Marriages:
Spouse: PHYLLIS LOWE
Marriage: 19 JUL 1813 Halesowen, Worcester,
Record submitted

Will check it at Dudley today

[Antie Em]

Marriage of Thomas Cartwright and Eliza Smith - 1839 - St John, Dudley (Witnesses at the marriage of Thomas Smith and Nancy Pickerell

1841 Census : Birchfield Lane, Oldbury
Thomas Cartwright, 20, Coal Miner
Eliza Cartwright, 15
Phyllis Cartwright, 1

Next door to :

1841 Census : Birchfield Lane, Oldbury
Abraham Smith, 45, Nailer
Phillis Smith, 45
Bessy Smith, 10
Abraham Smith, 10
Phillis Smith, 5
Ann Smith, 2

Baptisms - children of Abraham and Phillis
09 Jun 1822 - Eliza - Rowley Regis
22 Oct 1826 - Betsy - Rowley Regis

Possibly related :
1841 : Canal Side, Oldbury
Isaac Smith, 60, Boatman
Maria Smith, 50

1841 : Chapel Road, Oldbury
Samuel Smith, 60, Hingemaker
Esther Smith, 55
Rosehannah Smith, 13

1841 : New Village, Oldbury
Thomas Smith, 50, Labourer
Ann Smith, 55
John Birch, 20, Miner
William Smith, 15, Miner
Henry Birch, 9

1841 : Birchfield Lane
William Smith, 45, Boatman
Charlotte Smith, 45
Mary Smith, 15
Susannah Smith, 5
Elizabeth Holland, 15
Mary Holland, 15
All born in County

1841 : Halesowen Street - No
Thomas Smith, 40, Sinker - No
Caroline Smith, 40 - No
Henery Smith, 15, Miner
Enoch Smith, 13, Miner
Caroline Smith, 7
Sophia Smith, 5
Elizabeth Smith, 20
All others born in County

[FarSide]

This is submitted needs checking
anyone got Halesowen regis pls

ABRAHAM SMITH
Marriages:
Spouse: PHYLLIS LOWE
Marriage: 19 JUL 1813 Halesowen, Worcester,
Record submitted

19 Jul 1813
Abraham Smith, otp, bach & Phillis Low, otp, spin
wcop by JR (Curate)
Abrm X Smith & Phillis X Low
Wit - Elias X Smith & Charlotte X Franks

[Northern Lass]

Thanks just adding some of this

so any bapts pls for Eli and Anns kids
we have Thomas from that IGI beta site in 1811
anymore pls

Jimmy you around?

let's crack this one