ARC - Joseph Charles HOULDSWORTH ?1812?-? and wife

[Razzy]

I have been trying hard to find census' with Joseph Charles HOULDSWORTH (a tailor) in England.
My g/g/g/grandmother was one of his daughters married to William Graham (a tailor)and living in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1881-91.
On the marriage certificate of my grandmother in 1866 was St. Martins in the Fields, Middlesex, London.
One of the witnesses was an Ebenezer Houldsworth.

I am unable to find my grandmothers certificate on the freebmd so I would like to find which parish microfilm to order, also I do not know really the names of any of her siblings.
I have been told that in an 1841 census, Thirza Alice appears as being four years old but I have been unable to find this census.
I also want to particularly know the wife of Joseph Charles. In the 1881 census I have Joseph C. as widowed father in the household of James F(rancis) Houldsworth in Wandsworth, Surrey. Here Francis is born in Hastings, Sussex. Joseph C. is born @1812 in Sheffield, Yorkshire.
I am thinking of ordering this James Francis Houldsworths' birth certificate to find the name of his mother.
I have already come across the names of the daughters (as per naming children after family) also married to a few Joseph Houldsworths'.
There are many Houldsworths in Yorkshire, Lancashire, and Middlesex area, so I am puzzled to know what to do.
Can anyone find this man, his wife, and maybe Thirza Alice Houldsworth?
Also any census' from 1841 onwards as I really cannot find this family.

[linell]

Here's Joseph and family in 1881:-

James F. HOULDSWORTH M Male 39 Hastings, Sussex, England Tailor
Josephine J. HOULDSWORTH M Female 37 Paris British Sub, France
Samuel A. HOULDSWORTH Male 14 London, Middlesex, England
Maryann HOULDSWORTH Female 13 London, Middlesex, England
Josephine J. HOULDSWORTH Female 6 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Elizabeth HOULDSWORTH Female 4 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Scholar
Florence HOULDSWORTH Female 2 Wandsworth, Surrey, England
John HOULDSWORTH Male 6 m Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Joseph C. HOULDSWORTH W Male 69 Sheffield, York, England Tailor


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling 52 Longfield St
Census Place Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341152
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0656 / 80
Page Number 13

[linell]

Could you post these details please Razzy so we can see what we are searching for:-

My g/g/g/grandmother was one of his daughters married to William Graham (a tailor)and living in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1881-91.
On the marriage certificate of my grandmother in 1866 was St. Martins in the Fields, Middlesex, London.
One of the witnesses was an Ebenezer Houldsworth

Cheers from Linell.

[MarkCDodd]

Groom's Name: William Graham
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Thirza Alice Houldsworth
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 09 Mar 1867
Marriage Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00145-5
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 561175
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538-1973

[linell]

William GRAHAM M Male 43 Scotland Tailor
Thirza A. GRAHAM M Female 42 London, London, Middlesex, England
Jerimue J. GRAHAM Male 12 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Alice J. GRAHAM Female 9 Scotland Scholar
Chatherine B. GRAHAM Female 7 Scotland Scholar
William S. GRAHAM Male 5 Newcastle On Tyne Scholar

Dwelling 2 Chapel Lane
Census Place Westgate, Northumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342218
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5050 / 111
Page Number 36

[Maths girl]

Is this group a possibility? Some of younger children born Scotland

1871 High Street
William Graham 33 born Dumfriesshire Tailor
Alice Graham 32 England
Mary Ann Graham 3 England
Francis J Graham 2 England

Original not available as Sottish Census

[Maths girl]

Is this the witness?
1881
HOULDSWITH, Ebenezer Head Married M 34 1847 Tailor Journeyman Hastings Sussex
HOULDSWITH, Charlotte Ann Wife Married F 30 1851 Middlesex
WILLMINGTON, Ernest Nephew Single M 6 1875 Scholar Beth Green Middlesex

1891 10, Church Road, Hackney
HOULDSWORTH, Ebenezer P Head Married M 44 1847 Tailor Harting Sussex
HOULDSWORTH, Charlotte A Wife Married F 43 1848 Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Sybil E Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Oliver E Son M 6 1885 Scholar Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Ruth E Daughter F 4 1887 Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Leopold N C Son M 0 (1M) 1891 Stoke Newington London
CUNNINGTON, Ernest W Nephew Single M 16 1875 Stockbrokers Clerk Stoke Newington London

[Maths girl]

Is this the witness?
1881
HOULDSWITH, Ebenezer Head Married M 34 1847 Tailor Journeyman Hastings Sussex
HOULDSWITH, Charlotte Ann Wife Married F 30 1851 Middlesex
WILLMINGTON, Ernest Nephew Single M 6 1875 Scholar Beth Green Middlesex

1891 10, Church Road, Hackney
HOULDSWORTH, Ebenezer P Head Married M 44 1847 Tailor Harting Sussex
HOULDSWORTH, Charlotte A Wife Married F 43 1848 Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Sybil E Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Oliver E Son M 6 1885 Scholar Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Ruth E Daughter F 4 1887 Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Leopold N C Son M 0 (1M) 1891 Stoke Newington London
CUNNINGTON, Ernest W Nephew Single M 16 1875 Stockbrokers Clerk Stoke Newington London

1901
HOULDSWORTH, Ebenezer Head Married M 54 1847 Taylor Hastings Sussex
HOULDSWORTH, Charlotte A Wife Married F 53 1848 Stoke Newington London
HOULDSWORTH, Oliver E Son Single M 16 1885 Grocer's Porter Homerton London
HOULDSWORTH, Ruth E Daughter Single F 14 1887 Machinists Assistant Milliners Homerton London
HOULDSWORTH, Leopold H C Son Single M 10 1891 Homerton London
HOULDSWORTH, Lionel A Son Single M 8 1893 Walthamstow Essex
CUMMINGTON, Edwin J A Gnd Nephew Single M 8 1893 Brixton London

[Maths girl]

Here is witness marriage

Edith Rose Clarkson 1876 Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey
Charlotte Ann Cunnington 1876 Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey
John Haward Hides 1876 Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey
Ebenezer P Houldsworth 1876 Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey

[Razzy]

Thanks mathsgirl, linnel, Mark C. Dodd,
Sorry Linnel, I was afraid to be to confusing in my message. I am able to have ancestry.com library edition, you guys have found way more information. It seems you have all picked the right information.
This Ebenezer has the right markings including trade.
I never saw the 1871 scotland census before either so I am intrigued. In the Newcastle census there is not a Mary Ann, however, maybe she is already out of the house.
Jeremy J. in 1881 Newcastle census maybe the Francis J. in the 1871 Dumfrieshire census.
But definitely that is the right family.
The 'P.' in Ebenezer I suspect to be Pearce. However I cannot find a Joseph /Charles/Joseph C./Joseph Charles so far marrying anyone with a surname of Pearce so maybe that is Ebenezers' wifes' maiden name. I have no idea what relation Ebenezer has with Joseph Charles and Thirza Alice.
Thirza Alices' daughter Alice Jane is my gg/grandmother, she named one of her daughters Barbara, from Catherine B.
I have not found what the 'S.' means in William, nor now Jeremys'/Francis' middle name.
Does this help in finding Joseph Charles and his wife or wives(?)
I am unable to confirm Joseph C. in the Wandsworth, Surrey 1881 census with James Francis being a son until I can see a census or know which parish microfilms to start ordering.
Thanks and please continue helping me with Joseph Charles and his wife/wives(?)
I did see in IGI that a Joseph Houldsworth b1807 died in Victoria Western Australia in 1905, again I am offering this research but do not want to send a red herring out to those helping me.

[Razzy]

Hi,
I would like to bump this up to see if there is any luck finding an 1841 census with Thirza Alice Houldsworth as a young child. Her father is Joseph Charles Houldsworth (a tailor) I have no idea how to find the name of her mother/his wife. I am hoping an 1841 census will help. According to future census' in 1881 and 1891 in Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland with her husband William Graham; Thirza says she is born in Middlesex, London, London.
Can anyone help? Middlesex and also London have a humungeous amount of parishes. William and Thirza were married in St. Martins in the Field however so far no luck in finding her baptized there in @1837. No luck in freebmd either.

Razzy

[Maths girl]

Ok so here is 1881 to see if anyone can spot anything from it to work backwards with

1881 52, Longfield St, Wandsworth
HOULDSWORTH, James F Head Married M 39 1842 Tailor Hastings Sussex
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine J Wife Married F 37 1844 Paris British Sub France
HOULDSWORTH, Samuel A Son Single M 14 1867 London Middlesex
HOULDSWORTH, Maryann Daughter Single F 13 1868 London Middlesex
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine J Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar London Middlesex
HOULDSWORTH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, Florence Daughter Single F 2 1879 Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, John Son Single M 0 1881 Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, Joseph C Father Widower M 69 1812 Tailor Sheffield Yorkshire

Down on his luck?? or private?
1891 St Annes Home, Streatham Hill S W
HOLDSWORTH, Joseph Inmate Widower M 71 1820 Labourer General Holborn London

[Maths girl]

1891 6, Merton Road, All Saints, Wandsworth
HOULDSWORTH, James J Head Married M 49 1842 Tailor Hastings Sussex
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine Wife Married F 47 1844 Tobacconist Paris France British Subject
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine J Daughter Single F 16 1875 Scholar Westminster London
HOULDSWORTH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, Florence Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, John Son M 10 1881 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, Sidney Son M 8 1883 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, Margaret Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey
HOULDSWORTH, Rose Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Wandsworth Surrey


1871 Dean Street, St Anne Soho, Westminster
HOULDSWORTH, Jas Head M 29 1842 Sussex Tailor
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine Wife F 27 1844 France
HOULDSWORTH, Earnest Son M 4 1867 London
HOULDSWORTH, Marian Daughter F 3 1868 London
HOULDSWORTH, Alice Daughter F 0 1871 London

[Maths girl]

1901 12, Ecclesbourne Road, Croydon
HOULDSWORTH, James F Head Married M 59 1842 Tailor Hastings Sussex
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine J D Wife Married F 57 1844 France British Subject
HOULDSWORTH, John Son Single M 20 1881 Carpenter Wandsworth London
HOULDSWORTH, Sydney Son Single M 18 1883 Stockbroker's Clerk Wandsworth London
HOULDSWORTH, Margaret Daughter Single F 16 1885 Wandsworth London
HOULDSWORTH, Rose Daughter F 14 1887 Wandsworth London


1911 Ivydale Ecclesbourne Road Thronton Heath
HOULDSWORTH, James Francis Head Married 48 years M 69 1842 Journeyman Tailor Sussex Hastings
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine Julia Dorote Wife Married F 67 1844 France Paris
BLOMSTRAND, Eloff Son In Law Married M 42 1869 Journeyman Tailor Sweden
BLOMSTRAND, Florence Daughter Married 11 years F 32 1879 Surrey Wandsworth
BLOMSTRAND, Marie Granddaughter F 9 1902 Surrey Thornton Heath
BLOMSTRAND, Frank Grandson M 7 1904 Surrey Thornton Heath
BLOMSTRAND, Joyce Granddaughter F 3 1908 Surrey Thornton Heath
NAME, No Granddaughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911

[Maths girl]

1871 Dean Street, St Anne Soho, Westminster
HOULDSWORTH, Jas Head M 29 1842 Sussex Tailor
HOULDSWORTH, Josephine Wife F 27 1844 France
HOULDSWORTH, Earnest Son M 4 1867 London
HOULDSWORTH, Marian Daughter F 3 1868 London
HOULDSWORTH, Alice Daughter F 0 1871 London

Just wondering whether they had business connections with France and that is where they are in 1861 and before!