*Archived * -Ann Unknown- who is she ?

[mumbles]

I am working through unknowns on BCC to reduce if possible and tried first one and found it 100% so will insert it however
search came up with a further unknown one generation back:-
What I found was unknown Baker married Selina unknown and have found that this was Richard Baker married a Selina Tilley in Kings Norton 18 page 568 Dec. q.
this ties in with Census details 1851 to 1901 and so will fill in.
However I found that Richard Baker born 1829 was son of William Baker born RR in 1802 and Ann Unknown born RR 1805
Since it is RR it should be possible to trace Ann Unknown

[Northern Lass]

Brilliant Mumbles you are a star!

Ok gonna re- title the heading Ann Unknown we can chase her down and then I will alter/complete the subject heading/ie surname
so that it makes searching easier in the archives!

[gardener]

However I found that Richard Baker born 1829 was son of William Baker born RR in 1802 and Ann Unknown born RR 1805
Since it is RR it should be possible to trace Ann Unknown

Hi mumbles
How did you find Richard's parents?
I can't seem to find him on the 1841 census.

[mumbles]

Found parents William & Ann Unknown from two private members trees on Ancestry

[Jimmy]

Marriages.

2 submitted,

WILLIAM BAKER.
ANN HADLEY.
Marriage, 13 JUL 1823. St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

WILLIAM BAKER.
ANN PARKES.
Marriage, 11 OCT 1830. Halesowen, Worcester,

2 extracted,

WILLIAM BAKER,
ANN COOPER,
Marriage, 03 MAR 1823, Saint Lawrence, Darlaston Near Wolverhampton, Stafford,

WILLIAM BAKER.
HANNAH BRADLEY, 29 FEB 1824, Sedgley, Stafford,

[dianel]

Probably not relevant, but just in case:

1851 Scotland Census - Cliftonhill Huse, Coat Dyke, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire

William Baker Head 46 b. abt 1805, Herbone, Stafford - Manager Of Lenber Emy 130 Men
Ann Baker Wife 45 b. abt 1806, Wel??Ver, Worcestershire
Thomas Baker Son 10 b. abt 1841, Wel??Ver, Worcestershire
Elasebth Blackwoll House Servant 18 b. abt 1833, Cleckmanan, Alloa

[dianel]

Here's a thing ...

In 1841 there are other 'BAKER's in Coatbridge, Old Monkland, Scotland, amongst a great collection of Iron workers, all from England:

James BAKER 20 Pudler of Iron
Jaomi BAKER 25
William BAKER 2
James BAKER 5
David COOPER 20 PUDLER

Next door:
John GREEN 30 Roller
Elizabeth GREEN 30
Maryann GREEN 8
Elizabeth GREEN 6
John GREEN 2
Joseph GREEN 1 month born Scotland
Susannah HIPKISS 30 F.S.
Samuel GREEN 36 Pudler of Iron

There are also:
Charles BAKER 35
Joseph BAKER 30

These BAKER men are all of an age to possibly be brothers:
William b. abt 1805
Charles b. abt 1806
Joseph b. abt 1811
James b. abt 1821

But then, I might be barking up the wrong tree

[dianel]

1861 - West Combe Iron Works,
North Side Cottages, Seaton, Cumberland

Joseph TILLEY Head Mar 20 Blast furnace man b. Cumber.. Seaton
Jane TILLEY wife 20 b. Durham, Highinton
Isaac COOKSEY Head Mar 53 Iron Smelter b. Staffs., Rowley
Marriah COOKSEY Wife Mar 50 b. Staffs., Rowley
Isaac COOKSEY Gr Son 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley

Henry COOPER Head 34 Bricklayer b. Norfolk, Feltwell
Mary COOPER Wife 29 Dressmaker b. Lancashire
George COOPER 4 b. Durham
Susan COOPER 1 b. Yorkshire, Eaton

About 4 dwellings away ...

Richard BAKER Head 32 Bricklayer b. Worcestershire
Mrs. BAKER Wife 30 b. Worcestershire
William BAKER Son 12 Tin man b. Worcestershire
Hannah BAKER Dau 5 Scholar b. Cumber.. Seaton
Elizabeth BAKER Dau 2 b. Cumber.. Seaton

(Richard's wife is variously given as Mrs. Selina Baker, Mrs. Selina Tilley, Mrs. Baker - corrections made by suetoller - Family tree: AMBRIDGE Family Tree)

[Northern Lass]

Did we ever bottom this one?

[Northern Lass]

I wonder if it is this one that Jimmy found....

WILLIAM BAKER.
ANN PARKES.
Marriage, 11 OCT 1830. Halesowen, Worcester,

on the 1851 census Richard and Selina and son William are living here...

1851 Gosty hill

and next door are a family of Parkes
James Parkes b abt 1801 age 50 b RRegis
wife ann Parkes b abt 1802
with kids one of whom is called Richard!

there are 2 bapts for a James Parkes and Ann Parkes....to a Richard Parkes and Ann

JAMES PARKES -Christening: 30 SEP 1798 Old Swinford, Worcester

. ANN PARKES - I Christening: 26 JUN 1803 Old Swinford, Worcester

so is this a brother for Ann unknown?

[Northern Lass]

woo hoo! .....

1839
PARKES James TILLEY Ann Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/003/60

on the census there are Tildsleys with them;;

1851 census Gosty Hill

James Parkes 50 lab at coal pit field b RRegis
Ann Parkes wife 48 b Dudley
William Parkes son 17 b Dudley
Richard Parkes son 15 b Dudley
Mary Tildsley step dau 18 out of employment b dudley
Hannah Tildsley step dau 15 b worcs halesowen


Is it Selinas mother that marries the brother of Richards Bakers widowed mother ??

SELINA TILLEY
Christening: 01 AUG 1830 Bilston, Stafford,
Father: WILLIAM TILLEY
Mother: ANNE
Extracted birth or christening

[Northern Lass]

I think that the fact she calls her dau Hannah too...bet Mary and Hannah are her sisters ( selinas)

[Northern Lass]

MARY TILLEY - Gender: Female Christening: 26 MAY 1833 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
HANNAH TILLEY - Gender: Female Christening: 20 SEP 1835 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

parents William Tilley and Ann

I think that Ann who marries James Parkes is Selina Tilleys mother...what do we think?

[Northern Lass]

hmmm got them on the 1841 James parkes and Ann ( tilley) and Hannah and Mary but no Selina.

So where is Selina on the 1841 census?

anyone find her?

[Northern Lass]

think I have found her in 1841 with her grandparents Joseph Tilly and Nancy at Windmill end RRegis.

So it fits ....They have a son William b 1802

William Tilley - Male Birth: 05 DEC 1802 Rowley Regis, Stafford

other kids include a Richard b 1799

RICHARD TILLEY Christening: 15 MAY 1799 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Father: JOSEPH TILLEY Mother: ANN
Extracted

William Tilley dies in 1838
1838
TILLEY William Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/1/209

So then in 1839 Ann Tilley ( married name- maiden name unknown) marries a James Parkes -
James is probably the brother of Ann Parkes -Ann Parkes who married William Baker.
That is how Selina got to know Richard Baker via his auntie Ann Tilley.
So they were step cousins?

I think that fits.....