*Completed?* 1861 Census - HONEY George

[brickwalls]

Hello all,

I'm looking for George HONEY on the 1861 census. He should be present in the Manchester area, and aged 2 (give or take).

I've found a marriage which lists his father as George Barnes HONEY (on the IGI), so any information you can give me from a census would be excellent. Thank you very much

[Jimmy]

Can you post the marriage details.

[brickwalls]

Sorry, the marriage is between George Honey born 1859, not George Barnes Honey.


Groom's Name: George Honey
Groom's Birth Date: 1858
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Mary Williams
Bride's Birth Date: 1856
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 23
Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1879
Marriage Place: St. John Baptist, Hulme (Near Manchester), Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: George Barnes Honey
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: George Williams
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04895-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2113137
Reference Number: 173
Collection: England Marriages, 1538-1973

[Northern Lass]

Going to move this to General discussion BW just to open it up

[Jimmy]

Is this them in 1881.
George HONEY Head M Male 23 Hulme Manchester Builders Clerk
Polly HONEY Wife M Female 24 Newtown, Wales
Alfred HONEY Son U Male 1 Hulme Manchester
John TAYLOR Boarder U Male 22 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England Bricklayers Labourer
John PRICE Boarder U Male 26 Hulme Manchester Carter
William BRISTOW Lodger M Male 25 Coventry, Warwick, England Gunsmiths Finisher
Emily BRISTOW Lodgers Wife M Female 25 Bitton, Gloucester, England
Edith BRISTOW Lodgers Daughter U Female 3 Bristol, Gloucester, England
Alice BRISTOW Lodgers Daughter U Female 1 Bristol, Gloucester, England

197 Radnor St.
Hulme, Lancashire.

[brickwalls]

Is this them in 1881.
George HONEY Head M Male 23 Hulme Manchester Builders Clerk
Polly HONEY Wife M Female 24 Newtown, Wales
Alfred HONEY Son U Male 1 Hulme Manchester
John TAYLOR Boarder U Male 22 Whitchurch, Shropshire, England Bricklayers Labourer
John PRICE Boarder U Male 26 Hulme Manchester Carter
William BRISTOW Lodger M Male 25 Coventry, Warwick, England Gunsmiths Finisher
Emily BRISTOW Lodgers Wife M Female 25 Bitton, Gloucester, England
Edith BRISTOW Lodgers Daughter U Female 3 Bristol, Gloucester, England
Alice BRISTOW Lodgers Daughter U Female 1 Bristol, Gloucester, England

197 Radnor St.
Hulme, Lancashire.

I doubt it, George HONEY b 1858 married Mary WILLIAMS b 1856 in 1879.

[Jimmy]

Polly is another name for Mary.

[brickwalls]

I am on about the parents of George

Polly is another name for Mary.

I don't think they are the parents of George, as George was born in 1858, and that is a census return for 1881.

It is possible that they are George Honey and Mary Williams, I will admit that.

[Jimmy]

1891. 15 Amblecote St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester.
George Honey 32. Clerk to plumber. Greenwich, London,
Mary Honey 33. Newton, Monmouthshire.
Alfred Honey 11.
Hester Honey 9.
William Honey 7.
Herbert Honey 5.
Nellie Honey 3.
Charlie Honey 2.
Arthur Honey 1.
Georgina Smith 53. Visitor. Islington, London.

All others born Manchester.

[Jimmy]

1901. 13 Hill St, Hulme, South Manchester.
George Honey 42. General Lab, Salford, Lancashire.
Mary Honey 43. Wales.
Alfred Honey 21.
Bertha Honey 19.
William Henry Honey 17.
Herbert Honey 15.
Helen Honey 13.
Charles Honey 11.
George Honey 8.

[Jimmy]

I am on about the parents of George

Polly is another name for Mary.

I don't think they are the parents of George, as George was born in 1858, and that is a census return for 1881.

It is possible that they are George Honey and Mary Williams, I will admit that.

Yes thats what meant,
The only George Honey born 1858 ish I can see in 1861 has a father William.

[gardener]

1891. 15 Amblecote St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester.
George Honey 32. Clerk to plumber. Greenwich, London,
Mary Honey 33. Newton, Monmouthshire.

Perhaps George jnr was born in London but tended to give local places as birth in the census?

[Jimmy]

Births Mar 1857.
Honey George. Greenwich. 1d. 587.

Births Dec 1857.
Honey George. Chorlton. 8c. 550.

[brickwalls]

That's definitely them in 1891 and 1901, as their daughter Nellie/Helen married my Great Grandfather.

I am a bit confused about him changing where he was born though.

Thanks for the help, I'm much more likely to trust the census returns than the IGI. I just can't fathom how the fathers name is so different on that as what you've found in the census.

[gardener]

That's definitely them in 1891 and 1901, as their daughter Nellie/Helen married my Great Grandfather.

I am a bit confused about him changing where he was born though.

Thanks for the help, I'm much more likely to trust the census returns than the IGI. I just can't fathom how the fathers name is so different on that as what you've found in the census.

Hi
I think what Jimmy has posted all fits together, and fits with the marriage which you have on the IGI.

The marriage you have:

Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1879
Marriage Place: St. John Baptist, Hulme (Near Manchester), Lancashire, England

Groom's Name: George Honey
Groom's Birth Date: 1858
Bride's Name: Mary Williams
Bride's Birth Date: 1856
Groom's Father's Name: George Barnes Honey
Bride's Father's Name: George Williams

that would fit perfectly for this couple in 1881

1881
George HONEY Head M Male 23 Hulme Manchester Builders Clerk
Polly HONEY Wife M Female 24 Newtown, Wales
Alfred HONEY Son U Male 1 Hulme Manchester

And then you are happy with the 1891 and 1901 census. Polly was often a nickname for girls called Mary and her birthplace is consistent as Newtown/Wales.
George Honey is down as:

1881 aged 23 born Hulme Manchester (which is where they were living as well)
1891 aged 32 born Greenwich London (living Chorlton On Medlock Manchester)
1901 aged 42 born Salford Lancashire (living Hulme, Manchester)

It is not unusual to get conflicting information as to birthplace, especially if people moved districts while they were young.

In 1861 Jimmy could only find one George Honey born around 1858 in the Manchester area, and his father was William whereas you are looking for a George Barnes Honey.

It is possible that the George Honey who married Mary Williams was not born in the Manchester area, and he may not even have been there in 1861 or 1871.

So, can we find any George Honey the right age, either with a father George or with a mother only? Possibly in the London area in 1861, or born there but moved?