William Haynes

[Northern Lass]

Need an accurate dob pls

born Brockmore nr Brierley Hill around 186-1866
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =929974765

father William Haynes
Carter on marriage

William is a Wid
prev marriage pls

[linell]

I am scratching my head over this Wm Haynes, as my Haynes were originally from Brockmoor, moved to Old Hill all in the same time frame, he must connect to my family. Need to find his father Wm Snr in 1861. Linell.

[linell]

Oh it's this one Portway 1861:-

WILLIAM HAYNES Head Married 44 yrs
? (F) HAYNES Wife Married 42 yrs
MARY A. HAYNES Daughter Unmarried 21 yrs
CHARLES HAYNES Son Unmarried 13 yrs
HANNAH HAYNES Daughter 9 yrs
JOB HAYNES Son 4 yrs
MARK HAYNES Son 3 yrs
MARTHA HAYNES Daughter 2 yrs
WILLIAM HAYNES Son 3 mths

So Wm Snr was born about 1816, same as my GtX3 Grandfather, perhaps he had two families on the go, he is missing from the 1861 Census??

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

I am wondering if we have him on bcc already

I wonder if this is him dob out a bit
and father on this marriage a collier
but wifes father shoemaker
that sort of fits with Sarah Anns stepfather a shoemaker

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =881889257


here he is with Sarah Ann in 1911

1911 Census 37 Mace Street Old Hioll Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
William Haynes Head 50 Coal Miner born Brockmore Near Brierley Hill Staffs.
Sarah Ann Haynes wife 49 born Primrose Hill Worcs.
Sarah Ann Tombes dau 19 Employed in Nut & Bolt Works born Old Hioll Staffs.
William Walter Green grd.son 4 born Quarry Bank Staffs.
married 9 years no children

[Northern Lass]

Long shot ...who does William Walter green belong to

this one

1902
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GREEN Walter W HAYNES Alice M Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/3/500


if so and we can tie in Alice Haynes we can find out who he married before
and see if it is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =187377216

[linell]

Hi Jan, yes I think it is the same Wm the one who Married Martha Payne. Can someone find Wm Haynes born about 1816, in 1841/1851 please?

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

1891 189 Halesowen Road Rowley Regis
William Haynes h m 34 labourer in chainworks
Martha Haynes wife 35 nailer
Alice Maud Haynes dau single 7 scholar
Job Haynes son 6 scholar
Amelia Haynes dau 4 scholar
William Payne father in law m 56 bootmaker
Sarah Payne mother in law m 57
all born Rowley Regis

so that looks like the Alice M that married a Walter Green
and their son is with Sarah Ann and William on census

wonder what happened to 2 kids in 1881
1881 Reddall Hill Road, Rowley Regis
William Haines, head, 24, Carter, Brockmoor
Martha, 25, Nailer
Martha, daur, 2,
William, son, 11 months
All others born Rowley Regis


need a death for Martha

[Northern Lass]

Ok merged the 2 Williams
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =340979240

on 1901 Wm jnr is with Wm snr (a carter of coal)
so that covers occup on 2 marriages for father of Wm jnr

bit of a pain he puts his birth on census before 1911 as Cradley Heath /RR
and on 1911 Brockmore

the dau Alice Maud marries a Walter Green I believe
and then their son is with Wm and Sarah in 1911

need death for Martha pls

[Northern Lass]

This looks like her

Deaths Jun 1900
Haynes Martha 39 Dudley 6c 6

Could do with a mother for William Haynes born about 1857 ish
father William Collier carter

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=18743556

[rockyfowler]

1861
HAYNES, William Head Married M 46 1815 Coal Miner
Ledgeley
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Anne Wife Married F 42 1819
Bilston
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Charles Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Coal Miner
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Hannah Daughter F 9 1852
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Job Son M 4 1857
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Mark Son M 3 1858
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HAYNES, Martha Daughter F 2 1859
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HAYNES, William Son M 0 (3M) 1861
Rowley Regis
Staffordshire

Port Way, Rowley Regis
1871
HAYNES, Ann Head F 51 1820 Widow Nail and Mangler Worcestershire
HAYNES, William Son M 18 1853 Boilermaker Worcestershire
HAYNES, Mary Ann Daughter F 16 1855 Worcestershire
HAYNES, Enock Son M 15 1856 Worcestershire
HAYNES, Sarah Daughter F 14 1857 Worcestershire
Chapel Street, Dudley

[Northern Lass]

That has got to be a different family

dont get this

our William is here on 1901 with father

1901 Bannister St Rowley Regis,
William Haynes h wid 64 Carter coal b Cradley Heath
William Haynes son 40 wid Coal miner below ground Born Cradley Heath
Alice Haynes G.dau 17 chainmaker b Old Hill
Job Haynes G.son 15 ??? striker b Old Hill
Matilda Smith dau? 30 b Cradley Heath
Edward Willetts boarder wid 44
Felix Willetts boarder 18
Sarah Willetts boarder 14
Beatrice Willetts boarder 10
All others born Cradley Heath

[mumbles]

1851 Census Dudley Road Tipton Staffs.
William Haines Head 32 Miner born Ludlow
Ann Haines wife 31
Elizabeth Haines dau 12 Scholar
Mary Ann Haines dau 7
Charles Haines son 4
Rest born Bilston

[Northern Lass]

1881 High St Kingswinford
William Haynes h m 47 Iron works lab b Brockmore
Sarrah Haynes 43 b Church Eaton
Henry Haynes 19 b Netherton
Matilda Haynes 17
Joab Haynes 16
Andrew Forest 23 lodger
Amelia Forest 24

[Northern Lass]

This ties in Alice Maud dau of Wm that marries Martha Payne then Sarah Ann Tombs

1901 Bannister St Rowley Regis,
William Haynes h wid 64 Carter coal b Cradley Heath
William Haynes son 40 wid Coal miner below ground Born Cradley Heath
Alice Haynes G.dau 17 chainmaker b Old Hill
Job Haynes G.son 15 ??? striker b Old Hill
Matilda Smith dau? 30 b Cradley Heath
Edward Willetts boarder wid 44
Felix Willetts boarder 18
Sarah Willetts boarder 14
Beatrice Willetts boarder 10
All others born Cradley Heath


so if this is the correct father and it ticks the boxes for occup of father Carter/Coal on marriage

then who is that Matilda Smith going back?
I think this is our Wm with father William
but dob is about 1837 on the 1901

[Northern Lass]

I think this is Wm snr in 1891

1891 34 New Town Lane Rowley Regis
William Haynes 50 h wid General Labourer b Dudley
Eli Haynes 28 son in law.....Chainmaker this should say Smith b RR
Matilda Haynes 24 dau b Wolverhampton

1887
HAINES Matilda SMITH Eli Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/009/25

1901 Bannister St Rowley Regis,
William Haynes h wid 64 Carter coal b Cradley Heath
William Haynes son 40 wid Coal miner below ground Born Cradley Heath
Alice Haynes G.dau 17 chainmaker b Old Hill
Job Haynes G.son 15 ??? striker b Old Hill
Matilda Smith dau? 30 b Cradley Heath
Edward Willetts boarder wid 44
Felix Willetts boarder 18
Sarah Willetts boarder 14
Beatrice Willetts boarder 10
All others born Cradley Heath


so if Matilda is sister of our Wm
can we find them on earlier census