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Sarah is a 2nd great grandmother of mine on the Homer branch of my tree.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&pid=34865&bpid=34865&bview=0&view=0&ccpid=34865&rand=936581086

There is consensus that her parents are Frances Mary Jones and John Bradford.

You can find Frances and John and children together in 1861 Aston Warwickshire, 1871 Harborne Worcestershire, 1881 Harborne Staffordshire, 1891 Harborne Staffordshire, 1901 Smethwick Worcestershire.

They were supposed to have been married on 25th December 1858 at All Saints Church in Sedgley. I have not seen the certificate.

The both died in 1907.

The problem is that there are many variations on who the parents of Frances Mary Jones and John Bradford are.

I haven't found conclusive proof for any of the published answers so am hoping you smart people can come up with a theory for each. I will not bias the results by mentioning any of the "theories".

Known siblings of Sarah Elizabeth Bradford are

John Thomas Bradford - 1864 Harborne

Miriam Annie Bradford - 1866 Harborne

Mary Hannah (Ann) Bradford - 1868 Harborne

Joseph Enos Bradford - 1871 Harborne

Albert Edward Bradford - 1872 Smethwick

Rachel Emma Bradford - 1873 Smethwick

Frances Mary Bradford - 1878 Smethwick

Perhaps if I break this into two some people might have a go...

Possible parents please for John Bradford, born approx 1837, Sedgley, Staffordshire.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=55769&rand=875267177

MarkCDodd wrote:Perhaps if I break this into two some people might have a go...

Possible parents please for John Bradford, born approx 1837, Sedgley, Staffordshire.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=55769&rand=875267177

Soz Mark think we are still recovering from Sat nite

Ok do you want that marriage added for Sarah to Smethwick look ups and we can confirm father is John?
or are you ok with that?

Possible parents please for Frances Mary Jones born abt 1837 Bilston Staffordshire

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=55770&rand=852180948

Here we go I can add this for look up

1881
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BRADFORD Sarah E HOMER James West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/15/439


will add it to the template too on BCC

Have added for a look up

MarkCDodd wrote:Perhaps if I break this into two some people might have a go...

Possible parents please for John Bradford, born approx 1837, Sedgley, Staffordshire.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=55769&rand=875267177

Ok this we can look up

1858
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BRADFORD John JONES Frances M Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/010/288

I have added for a look up

The 1861, 1871 and 1881 census have her living with a John and Frances. The 1881 census has James Homer in the same house as her and her family.

So I am positive her father is John Bradford and mother is Frances Mary Jones. She has a younger sister called Frances Mary and names one of her children Frances Mary Homer.

MarkCDodd wrote:The 1861, 1871 and 1881 census have her living with a John and Frances. The 1881 census has James Homer in the same house as her and her family.

So I am positive her father is John Bradford and mother is Frances Mary Jones. She has a younger sister called Frances Mary and names one of her children Frances Mary Homer.

Okedoke I have added the All Saints sedgley for a look up and I will do that this week
if someone doesnt go before hand
I have put it for an urgent look up
so we will find the parents on the marriage

so be interesting to see who parents for John and Frances are on census etc

There are several competing families for John Bradford in the census.

Some of the possible families are non-conformist and I can find the possible siblings in the non-conformist records but not John so that is what makes be suspect they are not a fit.

A lot of the Bradford will put their place of birth as Daisy Bank rather than Sedgley. Daisy Bank is a hotbed for "New Methodists".

I have a feeling Frances Mary Jones was a bastard of Mary Jones. This would be confirmed by the marriage lookup I suppose.

Could this be John in 1841, is he one of your contenders?

Hall Green, Sedgley, Wolverhampton

BRADFORD, Sarah F 40 1801 Staffordshire
BRADFORD, Mary F 15 1826 Staffordshire
BRADFORD, Thomas M 13 1828 Staffordshire
BRADFORD, Enous M 7 1834 Staffordshire
BRADFORD, John M 5 1836 Staffordshire

This seem to be the same family in 1851, all the bradfords are listed as inlaws to the head on the image

Highfields Sedgley Wolverhampton

CLEMPSON, John Head Married M 37 1814 Finery Worker Sedgley Staffordshire
CLEMPSON, Ann Wife Married F 31 1820 Sedgley Staffordshire
BRADFORD, Mary Unmarried F 24 1827 Tin Polisher Sedgley Staffordshire
BRADFORD, Thomas Unmarried M 23 1828 Finery Worker Sedgley Staffordshire
PITT, Hannah Widow F 20 1831 Sedgley Staffordshire
BRADFORD, Amos Unmarried M 17 1834 Finery Worker Sedgley Staffordshire
BRADFORD, John M 15 1836 Finery Worker Sedgley Staffordshire
PITT, John M 0 (10 MOS) 1851 Wolverhampton

The IGI has the following childrens christenings - all with John Bradford and Sarah as parents

All extracted

JOSEPH BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 NOV 1823 Sedgley, Stafford, England

JOHN BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 MAR 1836 Sedgley, Stafford, England

ENOS BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JAN 1834 Sedgley, Stafford, England

MARY BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 OCT 1826 Sedgley, Stafford, England

HANNAH BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 APR 1831 Sedgley, Stafford, England

THOMAS BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 APR 1825 Sedgley, Stafford, England

THOMAS BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 APR 1829 Sedgley, Stafford, England

MARY BRADFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 OCT 1826 Sedgley, Stafford, England


and the following marriage
John Bradford & Sarah Stanley 02 JUN 1823 Sedgley, Stafford, England

That is most likely his family but John's Baptism as listed on I.G.I can't be found in the real register.

The mother is Sarah Stanley born Wolverhampton 1796. She can be found in the Non-Conformist records as part of the John Street Prebyterian congregation.

The father is John Bradford born 1796 in Sedgley. They married in 1823 in Sedgley.

They are the parents I think are correct and the marriage lookup might be the clincher since I can't find the baptism.

The 1851 census is easy to sort out once you map the family a bit.

Ann Clempson is John Bradford's sister. John Clempson is her husband.

Mary is another of John's sisters.

Hannah is another of John Bradford's sisters. She married William Pitt who carked it soon after the marriage.

John Pitt is her son.

Amos is actually Enos and one of John Bradford's brothers.

Have you got copies of the registers? Or has someone done a lookup for you?

A couple of people on Genses Reunited and Ancestry have reported that they could not find him in the registry.

I have not had a look myself and since I don't know these people, perhaps they are mistaken?