*Archive?* Wilson or Lee?

[mallosa]

Right! Gonna try again
Here's my Grandfathers marriage details....

St Laurence Church in the Parish of Aston Juxta in the County of Warwickshire
Marriage Jan 27th 1907
William Wilson - 18 - Bach - Lab - 4 hse 17 Crt, Adams Street (signed)
Father: Thomas Wilson - Tube Drawer
Clara Fradley - 18 - Spin - Worm Turner - 4 hse 17 Crt, Adams Street (signed)
Father: Joseph Fradley - Carter
Banns
Wit: Thomas Wilson and Lily Wilkinson (both signed)


Here's his birth details....

William Born 28th Jan 1888 11AM 97 Icknield Square, Ladywood, Birmingham
Father: William Thomas Wilson - Brass Tube Drawer
Mother: Lucy Wilson formally Lane
X The Mark of Lucy Wilson Mother 97 Icknield Square

Marriage Dec 26th 1887 St Parish Church of St John, Ladywood, Birmingham
Thomas William Wilson - 21 - Bach - Tube Borer - of this parish (made his mark x)
Father: -------- Rank or profession of Father --------
Lucy Lane - 20 - Spin ------- of this parish (made her mark x)
Father: Thomas Lane - deceased - Gun Maker
Banns
Wit: Thomas Davis (signed) and Ellen Round (x)

[mallosa]

This is how it goes, I think

here's my grandfather William Wilson (as Lee)


1911 : 5 Back 39 Pope St B'ham
LEE, William Head Married M 23 1888 Emery Wheeler Birmingham
LEE, Clara Wife Married
5 years F 23 1888 Home Duties Birmingham
LEE, Clara Daughter F 3 1908 Birmingham
LEE, Thomas Son M 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Birmingham
FRADLEY, Gertrude Boarder Single F 13 1898 Polisher Birmingham

and with his parents (as Lee)

1901: 7 bk of 75 Icknield Square, Ladywood
Thomas Lee 34 Lab in Tube Works
Lucy Lee 33
William Lee 13
Agnes Lee 11
Thomas Lee 10
Fred Lee 9
Edward Lee 8
Alice Lee 4

No William, age 3 -
1891: 5 bk of 37 Grosvenor St West, Ladywood
Thomas Lee 24
Louisa Lee 23
Agnes Lee 2
Thomas Lee 1

same year, William is with his grandparents - (his surname Wilson)

Leech Street, Ladywood
Alfred Lee 45 Head Tube Maker Mount Sorrell, Leicester
Martha Lee 43 Wife
Sarah Lee 18 Dau
Rebecca Lee 16 Dau
John W Lee 11 Son
Alice Lee 8 Dau
Kate Lee 5 Dau
William Wilson 3 Grd Son
Alice Chatwin 17 Neice
Julia Piper 17 Lodger
(others born Birmingham)

[mallosa]

Here's his birth details....

William Born 28th Jan 1888 11AM 97 Icknield Square, Ladywood, Birmingham
Father: William Thomas Wilson - Brass Tube Drawer
Mother: Lucy Wilson formally Lane
X The Mark of Lucy Wilson Mother 97 Icknield Square

Marriage Dec 26th 1887 St Parish Church of St John, Ladywood, Birmingham
Thomas William Wilson - 21 - Bach - Tube Borer - of this parish (made his mark x)
Father: -------- Rank or profession of Father --------
Lucy Lane - 20 - Spin ------- of this parish (made her mark x)
Father: Thomas Lane - deceased - Gun Maker
Banns
Wit: Thomas Davis (signed) and Ellen Round (x)

Where's Thomas William/William Thomas in 1881? Does he call himself Lee or Wilson

[peterd]

may be this is him tjhe old man kicked him out he changed his name ?



1881 Parish Of Birmingham Workhouse" Western Road, Birmingham, Warwick,

Thomas LEE Pauper Inmate 14 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
Thomas FALLOW Pauper Inmate 9 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
Alfred WELSH Pauper Inmate 12 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
Fredrick HARLEY Pauper Inmate 13 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
William BEARD Pauper Inmate 13 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar

[mallosa]

may be this is him tjhe old man kicked him out he changed his name ?



1881 Parish Of Birmingham Workhouse" Western Road, Birmingham, Warwick,

Thomas LEE Pauper Inmate 14 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
Thomas FALLOW Pauper Inmate 9 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
Alfred WELSH Pauper Inmate 12 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
Fredrick HARLEY Pauper Inmate 13 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
William BEARD Pauper Inmate 13 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar

Mmm...that makes sense Pete!

Where is he in 1871?

[mallosa]

I wonder if this is him, it's the right area - Ladywood

1871: 39 Tyndal Street, Ladywood, Birmingham
Thomas Wilson 48 Head M/Brewer Marson, Warwickshire
Susannah Wilson 45 Wife Cheltenham, Gloucester
Sarah E Wilson 19 Dau Birmingham
Emily Wilson 15 Dau Birmingham
Thomas Wilson 5 Son Birmingham

[mallosa]

1861: 39 Tyndal Street, Ladywood
Thomas Wilson 38 Brewer Pembridge, Herefordshire?
Susannah Wilson 36 Cheltenham
Sarah Wilson 9 Birmingham
Agnes Wilson 7 Birmingham
Emely Wilson 5 Birmingham
Charles Wilson 2 Son Birmingham

1851: Summer St West, Edgbaston, Warwickshire
Thomas Wilson 28 Brewer
Susannah Wilson 26 Dressmaker

[mallosa]

I wonder if this is him, it's the right area - Ladywood

1871: 39 Tyndal Street, Ladywood, Birmingham
Thomas Wilson 48 Head M/Brewer Marson, Warwickshire
Susannah Wilson 45 Wife Cheltenham, Gloucester
Sarah E Wilson 19 Dau Birmingham
Emily Wilson 15 Dau Birmingham
Thomas Wilson 5 Son Birmingham

Here they are, Susannah has died but Thomas is still with his father
1881: 131 Ledsum Street, Ladywood (right area again)
Thomas Wilson 59 Head Wid Brewer
Sarah E. Wilson 29 Dau
Thomas Wilson 16 Son Engine fitter at work Apprentice
Susanah A. Wilson 27 Dau

[mallosa]

I have a cousin Susan, I wonder if she was named after our G.G.Grandmother

[cid]

Is this the correct family??

1871 Derby St Aston Birmingham

LEE, Alfred Thomas Head M 26 1845 Leicestershire
LEE, Martha Wife F 23 1848 Warwickshire
LEE, Thomas William Son M 4 1867 Warwickshire
LEE, Agnes Daughter F 1 1870 Warwickshire


if so then is this the reason for the Lee / Wilson name changes

Marriages June 1867 Qtr from Free BMD

CHAMBERS Henry Birmingham 6d 206
COATES Jane Birmingham 6d 206
LEE Alfred Thomas Birmingham 6d 206 16th June St Philips Birmingham
Willson Martha Birmingham 6d 206

If my maths is right (and it's very early in the day) this Thomas would have had to be born before April 1867 to already be 4 - This is the only Thomas W Lee that fits the bill on Free BMD (I have used the Aston births as that is where the other Lees seem to have been born)

Births Sep 1866
Lee Thomas W Aston 6d 263

and Alfred and Martha were not married at this time.

There are a couple of Thomas W Wilsons borns in Aston in 1866 - Could Thomas have been born before Alfred and Martha married?

[mallosa]

Thanks for looking at this cid
Yes I think you are right, you've bought me back to my original findings, I think I just needed to be reassured I was on the right track!

Can't find her in 1861 at the moment but will have a look at those births for Thomas William Wilson on Freebmd

[mallosa]

I'll order his birth cert and say I only want it if it shows Martha Wilson as mother

Births Jun 1866
WILSON Thomas W Aston 6d 333

Births Dec 1866
Wilson Thomas W Aston 6d 267

[mallosa]

cid, I've had a word with John Yates (Genealogist) at Birmingham Register Office

He is going to have a look at those three births for me

Births Sep 1866
Lee Thomas W Aston 6d 263

Births Jun 1866
WILSON Thomas W Aston 6d 333

Births Dec 1866
Wilson Thomas W Aston 6d 267

fingers crossed, should know something soon

[mallosa]

Well I got my cerificates through

Birth Cert says: Registration District: Aston in the district of Deritend, County Warwickshire
Birth: 22nd Nov 1866
Thomas William - boy - Father: Blank - Mother: Martha Wilson of 13 Court, Great Barr Street, Aston

and

Marriage June 16 1867 at St Philip`s Church, Birmingham
Alfred Thomas Lee - Age 23 - Bach - Metal Roller-Fazeley Street
Father: John Lee - Warehouseman
Martha Willson - 20 - Spin - Fazeley Street
Father: Blank - Profession: Blank
Banns
Alfred signed
Martha made her mark
Wit: Mary Jones signed and George Wedge made his mark

So cid and MG, you were both right!

I can't believe there is no father named for Martha

[cid]

Well that's one mystery solved, and another one started.......

The hunt is on for Martha's father

Unless of course her mother wasn't married either.

Why is nothing easy