Newbie Stuck - Wright, Swiney, Cootes all from UK

[QueenBee]

Hello

I'm a newbie, and was hoping someone could help me out as I seem to have hit a brick wall with 3 families I'm researching.

I'm trying to find the parents of these three people, I have most of the people after them as they all ended up in New Zealand where I was born, but not sure where to go from here to get where they came from.

My fathers side. (Looking for parents of Violet and Thomas)
1. My grandparents names
Wright (nee Moorhouse) Violet Helen 21 January 1898 married Thomas Wright b around 1896 in either Nottingham or may Yorkshire.
They had four children,
Births Jun 1918 Wright, Thomas W. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 575
Births Sep 1919 Wright, Joyce M. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 618
Births Mar 1923 Wright, Charles D. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 623
Births Dec 1924 WRIGHT, John E. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 588

Their last address in the UK was;
332 St Annes Well rd, Nottingham.

2. My mothers side (Looking for parents of James Swiney and Mary Simpson)
Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Jas Swiney
Name: Jas Swiney
Spouse: Mary Simson
Marriage Date: 1803
Parish: Stepney St Dunstan

James SWINEY b: 1775 in London, Middlesex, England married Mary SIMPSOM b: 1781 in Middlesex, England m: 1803 in Middlesex, England

3, My husbands family.(Looking for his Great Great grandfather's family in the UK, James Cootes)
Story was that he was a whaler but but turns out he was a convict - got this info from a lady on another website she found for me, but she can't find anything else either)

All the other info I've read, seems to point to the fact that he was born in 1801.

James Cootes Alias JACKSON born 1801 was a convict sent to Australia.
Name: James Cootes
[James Jackson]
Vessel: Lord Melville
Convicted Date: 21 Jul 1828
Voyage Date: 14 Nov 1828
Colony: New South Wales
Piece: HO 11/6
Place of Conviction: Surrey, England

I have the family tree from when he started having children into my husbands family, but I would like to know where he came from and who he was.

Any info would be most appreciated.

Thanks heaps

[mallosa]

Hello

I'm a newbie, and was hoping someone could help me out as I seem to have hit a brick wall with 3 families I'm researching.

I'm trying to find the parents of these three people, I have most of the people after them as they all ended up in New Zealand where I was born, but not sure where to go from here to get where they came from.

My fathers side. (Looking for parents of Violet and Thomas)
1. My grandparents names
Wright (nee Moorhouse) Violet Helen 21 January 1898 married Thomas Wright b around 1896 in either Nottingham or may Yorkshire.
They had four children,
Births Jun 1918 Wright, Thomas W. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 575
Births Sep 1919 Wright, Joyce M. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 618
Births Mar 1923 Wright, Charles D. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 623
Births Dec 1924 WRIGHT, John E. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 588

Their last address in the UK was;
332 St Annes Well rd, Nottingham.

This looks like their marriage QB....

Marriages Dec 1916
Moorhouse Violet H Wright Nottingham 7b 665
Smith Mabel Waterton Nottingham 7b 665
Waterton Claude Smith Nottingham 7b 665
Wright Thirza Moorhouse Nottingham 7b 665

Could Thirza be a mistake?

[QueenBee]

Oh cool, I'm not really sure, they had pretty funny names back in those days.

Swiney and Cootes seemed to have dropped off the face of the earth at some time! I'm really stuck on those ones.

Apparently James Cootes (aka James Jackson) was a convict, but it's quite funny, cos all the records in my husbands tree refer to him as being a Whaler, and he thought he was a whaler, now he turns out to be a convict.

What's some good free places to look, there are lots of Cootes in Sydney, so I'm wondering if he planted his seed there before he moved to New Zealand. And I'm still trying to find who his parents were.

Thanks

[QueenBee]

This looks like their marriage QB....

Marriages Dec 1916
Moorhouse Violet H Wright Nottingham 7b 665
Smith Mabel Waterton Nottingham 7b 665
Waterton Claude Smith Nottingham 7b 665
Wright Thirza Moorhouse Nottingham 7b 665


So can you decipher that for me, LOL. So if that's my grandmother Moorhouse Violet Wright, where is my grandfather, his name was Thomas. Sorry to be so dense.

[mallosa]

I just wondered if Thirza should have been Thomas, if you see what I mean...

Marriages Dec 1916
Moorhouse Violet H Wright Nottingham 7b 665 ...........Violet H Moorhouse married a Wright
Smith Mabel Waterton Nottingham 7b 665
Waterton Claude Smith Nottingham 7b 665
Wright Thirza Moorhouse Nottingham 7b 665.........Thirza Wright married a Moorhouse

There are two marriages here

This is a definate match but Thirza is a girls name

LIkewise, Mabel Smith married Claude Waterton

[QueenBee]

So who are these two people? LIkewise, Mabel Smith married Claude Waterton

What are 7b 665 numbers after their names? Sorry I'm new to this.

Don't spose anyone could look up to see if they can see who James Swiney's parents were could they. Totally lost with that one.


Thanks heaps

[gardener]

So who are these two people? LIkewise, Mabel Smith married Claude Waterton

What are 7b 665 numbers after their names? Sorry I'm new to this.

Thanks heaps

Hi

In England (and Wales) the marriages are recorded at local register offices. Then they are all sent as copies to the central register office. The entries are indexed in yearly quarters so that for each three month period the marriages are listed under the surname of the bride and the groom. Each index entry gives: Surname, First name; Place of registration; Numbers.

The numbers show which volume and page of the index the entry can be found in - if you were ordering a certificate from the central office then that number helps them locate the right certificate.
In the entries that Mallosa posted the number shows that all of those four people have there marriage details entered on the same page. Usually a page holds two marriages (four people) although older entries may have three or even four marriages.
The website http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ have transcribed most of the entries so that they are grouped together by page, not listed by surname. So once you find the name of, say the bride, then you can see the names of two grooms on the same page. Sometimes you can work out who married who from the census - look for the groom and see what his wife's first name was. Sometimes you can't.

So, Mal found four names together = two couples. She is suggesting that Thirza might be a mistake of some sort since Thirza is a girl's name and poor Claude can't have married them all!

The problem is that there is no available census after the marriage, to check the two coupls out. But THE GOOD NEWS is that I just looked at the scan of the index entry on the FreeBMD site and it is clearly Thomas Wright on there See
http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/informat ... 1271980788
So the transcriber must just have made a mistake.
No doubt about it, this is the marriage entry for Thomas and Violet. If you want the details then you have to buy the certificate!

PS I sent a correction to FreeBMD

[mallosa]

Wow! Nice work, thanks Gardener an excellent description I must say

[gardener]

I'm trying to find the parents of these three people, I have most of the people after them as they all ended up in New Zealand where I was born, but not sure where to go from here to get where they came from.

My fathers side. (Looking for parents of Violet and Thomas)
1. My grandparents names
Wright (nee Moorhouse) Violet Helen 21 January 1898 married Thomas Wright b around 1896 in either Nottingham or may Yorkshire.
They had four children,
Births Jun 1918 Wright, Thomas W. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 575
Births Sep 1919 Wright, Joyce M. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 618
Births Mar 1923 Wright, Charles D. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 623
Births Dec 1924 WRIGHT, John E. Moorhouse. Nottingham. 7b 588

Their last address in the UK was;
332 St Annes Well rd, Nottingham.

Any info would be most appreciated.

Thanks heaps

I think this is Violet's family in 1901 at Penkridge

Charles Moorhouse 28 born Cow man on farm Stretton, Staffs
Elizabeth ditto 24 born Stafford
Leonard William ditto 6 born Gailey, Staffs
Katie Louse ditto 4 born Stretton, Staffs
Violet Ellen ditto 2 born Stretton Staffs

You can search the 1901 census at http://www.1901censusonline.com free to search but you have to pay to see the entry. This one fits for the birth date you give, and also the name (Ellen/Helen are often the same).

This is probably her birth entry

Sep qtr 1898
Moorhouse Violet Ellen Cannock 6b 513


You should send for the certificate to be sure but since it is such an unusual name I think the 1901 census shows her parents to be Charles Moorhouse born abt 1873 at Stretton.

Free BMD has a marriage entry:

Dec qtr 1893
Cook Elizabeth Cannock 6b 812
Moorhouse Charles Cannock 6b 812


That seems to fit OK for the birth of Leonard.

You can look on http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... census.asp for the 1881 census entry for Charles Moorhouse (his birth place is given as BRewood but some of the other kids are born Stretton. You would need to get his marriage certificate to be sure it is the correct family, that would give his father's first name and occupation).

Elizabeth Cook is not so obvious since there are a few the right age born in Staffordshire. There is one visiting in Brewood which might be her but really can't be sure without her father's name from the marriage certificate.

Hope that is of some help at least

[Annie]

1911 Toll Gate Walton
MOORHOUSE, Charles Head Married M 39 1872 Cowman On Farm Brewood Staffs
MOORHOUSE, Mary Wife Married
7 years F 38 1873 Penbridge Staffs
MOORHOUSE, Violet Daughter F 12 1899 School Stretton Staffordshire
MOORHOUSE, Charlie Son M 6 1905 School Standiford Staffs
MOORHOUSE, Willie Son Married M 6 1905 School Standiford Staffs
MOORHOUSE, Caroline Daughter F 5 1906 School Brewood Staffs
MOORHOUSE, Georgie Son M 2 1909 Penbridge Staffs

Could this be your Charles re-married?

Annie

[gardener]

Looks likely Annie