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I am new to this site but have been researching my family tree on and off since 2006, mainly using the Genes Reunited site and Scots People. I originally started to research my mum's mothers side of the family as my mum had very little information about that side of her family. I have managed to trace that side of the family to Scotland, although I still have a lot of unanswered questions about my grandmother's life. I am currently researching my grandfathers side of the family, he was Arthur Ronald Knight, and the family were originally from the Black Country. His mother and father were both from the Cradley and Stourbridge area, and were Annie Laura Jenkins and Arthur Thomas Knight.

Briefly Annie's parents were Albert Jenkins and Annie Pearson.
Albert's parents were Jenkin Jenkins and Martha Cartwright

Arthur Thomas Knight's parents were Thomas Henry Knight and Louisa Terry
I believe Louisa Terry's parents were a Basil and Elizabeth Terry, and that she may have had a brother Henry and sister Emily.
Thomas Henry Knight was born I believe in the Newhaven area of Sussex, and I am sure he had a brother, as in the 1901 census a Thomas H Knight was living with Louisa and Thomas and was listed as a nephew aged 3.

I have other information regarding siblings etc and other names that are linked through marriage, and I would really like to know who Thomas Henry Knight's (the nephew) parents were.

Would love to hear from anyone who may be able to help.

Regards

Kerry Hunt

Hi Kerry and welcome!

are these them?

1901: 114 Enville Street, Stourbridge, Worcester
Thomas Hy Knight 41 Head M Baker born Newhaven, Sussex
Louisa Knight 36 Wife born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Arthur T Knight 10 Son born Stourbridge
Frank L Knight 8 Son Newphew born Stourbridge
Thomas H Knight 3 Nephew born Birmingham
Ernest Lukes ( looks like Jukes on the image) 23 Journeyman Baker born Abervate?, Wales (county not stated written on the side)

Do you have the marriage certificate?

Marriages Dec 1892
Knight Thomas Henry Aston 6d 662
Mee Laura Alice Aston 6d 662
Palmer Alice Aston 6d 662
SMITH William Aston 6d 662
Terry Louisa Aston 6d 662

poss igi extracted

Thomas Knight
Birth: 19 DEC 1897
Christening: 09 JAN 1898 Ashted, Warwick, England

Father: Henry Knight
Mother: Agnes Knight

poss mar

Marriages Sep 1889

CHATWIN Jane Aston 6d 395
Knight Henry Aston 6d 395
PALMER Agnes Aston 6d 395
WILLETT James Aston 6d 395

might be henry if born same place as thomas ?

1881 Railway Cottages Littlehampton, Sussex

Hannah HEAD Head M 34 Worth, Sussex, England Sailors Wife
William HEAD 4 Littlehampton, Sussex, England
Albert HEAD 2 Littlehampton, Sussex, England
Edward HEAD 2 m Littlehampton, Sussex, England
Henry KNIGHT Boarder U 25 Newhaven, Sussex, England Engine Fitter

mallosa wrote:Hi Kerry and welcome!

are these them?

1901: 114 Enville Street, Stourbridge, Worcester
Thomas Hy Knight 41 Head M Baker born Newhaven, Sussex
Louisa Knight 36 Wife born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Arthur T Knight 10 Son born Stourbridge
Frank L Knight 8 Son Newphew born Stourbridge
Thomas H Knight 3 Nephew born Birmingham
Ernest Lukes ( looks like Jukes on the image) 23 Journeyman Baker born Abervate?, Wales (county not stated written on the side)

poss frank and thomas are brothers ?

mallosa wrote:Do you have the marriage certificate?

Marriages Dec 1892
Knight Thomas Henry Aston 6d 662
Mee Laura Alice Aston 6d 662
Palmer Alice Aston 6d 662
SMITH William Aston 6d 662
Terry Louisa Aston 6d 662

peterd wrote:poss igi extracted

Thomas Knight
Birth: 19 DEC 1897
Christening: 09 JAN 1898 Ashted, Warwick, England

Father: Henry Knight
Mother: Agnes Knight

poss mar

Marriages Sep 1889

CHATWIN Jane Aston 6d 395
Knight Henry Aston 6d 395
PALMER Agnes Aston 6d 395
WILLETT James Aston 6d 395

poss both in ashton area for 1891 census anyone find anything ?

??
1891 Census
4ct 6 Watery Lane, Deritend, Aston
Henry Knight, head, 24, Boatman
Agnes, wife, 22, Press work
Both born Birmingham

mallosa wrote:Hi Kerry and welcome!

are these them?

1901: 114 Enville Street, Stourbridge, Worcester
Thomas Hy Knight 41 Head M Baker born Newhaven, Sussex
Louisa Knight 36 Wife born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Arthur T Knight 10 Son born Stourbridge
Frank L Knight 8 Son Newphew born Stourbridge
Thomas H Knight 3 Nephew born Birmingham
Ernest Lukes ( looks like Jukes on the image) 23 Journeyman Baker born Abervate?, Wales (county not stated written on the side)

anyone find these in 1911 both families thomas henry and nephews ?

Have found family in 1911 census, Thomas Henry Knight, the father, had died before the census and the head of the family was my great great grandmother Louisa Knight nee Terry, Arthur T and Frank L were actually brothers, Thomas H, the nephew was no longer living with them. But a Eliza Talbot, a widow, aged 63, who is listed as a mother, was living at the address, I believe her to be Louisa's mother although she would have been a Terry, can only assume she remarried. They still lived at 114 Enville Street, and were still bakers.

peterd wrote:

mallosa wrote:Hi Kerry and welcome!

are these them?

1901: 114 Enville Street, Stourbridge, Worcester
Thomas Hy Knight 41 Head M Baker born Newhaven, Sussex
Louisa Knight 36 Wife born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Arthur T Knight 10 Son born Stourbridge
Frank L Knight 8 Son Newphew born Stourbridge
Thomas H Knight 3 Nephew born Birmingham
Ernest Lukes ( looks like Jukes on the image) 23 Journeyman Baker born Abervate?, Wales (county not stated written on the side)

anyone find these in 1911 both families thomas henry and nephews ?

so can anyone find thomas h knight age 13 born brum in 1911 then pleases

I have also found a record on the 1911 census for a Thomas Henry Knight age 13, living with grandparents Elijah Parkes 54 (Vice Maker Forger) married 29 years to Phoebe Parkes 58, in Worcestershire, Dudley. Thomas Henry Knight's place of birth is shown as Worcestershire, Dudley.

I have also found a marriage record for a William Knight to a Kate Maria Parkes, in Dudley Jun 1896 Ref 6c 21, and a birth record for Thomas Henry Knight Dudley 6c 112 Dec 1897, but I am unsure if these would be the correct people. I am planning on sending for the birth certificate to see who the parents were. I am also going to send for the marriage certificate for Thomas Henry Knight, my great great grandfather to see who his father was, which I hope will then help me discover whether he had any brothers or sisters.

peterd wrote:so can anyone find thomas h knight age 13 born brum in 1911 then pleases

These are the ones age 13 years plenty more that 12 & 14.let me know if you would like some of the other Thomas Knight.

Annie

1911 : 11 Beech Terrace William Street Birmingham
KNIGHT, E Head Widow F 38 1873 Press Hand Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Elsie Daughter Single F 15 1896 Leather Work Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Robert Son Single M 14 1897 Parcel Delivery Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Thomas Son Single M 11 1900
KNIGHT, Harry Son Single M 8 1903
KNIGHT, Jennie Daughter Single F 5 1906


1911 : 191 Watery Lane Small Heath
KNIGHT, Agnes Head Widow F 42 1869 Capston Lather Screw Trade Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Bessie Mother In Law Widow F 77 1834 Banbury
KNIGHT, Ada Daughter Single F 19 1892 Capston Lathe Screw Trade Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Harry Son Single M 17 1894 Horse Driver Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Albert Son Single M 14 1897 File And Float Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Thomas Son Single M 13 1898


1911 52b Angel St Dudley County Staffordshire
PARKES, Elijah Head Married
29 years M 54 1857 Vice Maker Forger Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW
PARKES, Phoebe Wife Married F 58 1853 Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW
KNIGHT, Thomas Henry Grandson M 13 1898 School Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW

Annie wrote:These are the ones age 13 years plenty more that 12 & 14.let me know if you would like some of the other Thomas Knight.

Annie

1911 : 11 Beech Terrace William Street Birmingham
KNIGHT, E Head Widow F 38 1873 Press Hand Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Elsie Daughter Single F 15 1896 Leather Work Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Robert Son Single M 14 1897 Parcel Delivery Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Thomas Son Single M 11 1900
KNIGHT, Harry Son Single M 8 1903
KNIGHT, Jennie Daughter Single F 5 1906


1911 : 191 Watery Lane Small Heath
KNIGHT, Agnes Head Widow F 42 1869 Capston Lather Screw Trade Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Bessie Mother In Law Widow F 77 1834 Banbury
KNIGHT, Ada Daughter Single F 19 1892 Capston Lathe Screw Trade Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Harry Son Single M 17 1894 Horse Driver Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Albert Son Single M 14 1897 File And Float Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Thomas Son Single M 13 1898


1911 52b Angel St Dudley County Staffordshire
PARKES, Elijah Head Married
29 years M 54 1857 Vice Maker Forger Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW
PARKES, Phoebe Wife Married F 58 1853 Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW
KNIGHT, Thomas Henry Grandson M 13 1898 School Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW

bottom one looks good

KNIGHT William PARKES Kate M 1896 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/041/184

but can we find these in 1901 see which henry is not there ?

Having looked at 1901 Census I am now unsure, there is an entry for a Thomas Henry Knight age 3 living with his grandparents Elijah Parkes, is it possible that he may have lived with his uncle Thomas Henry Knight and family and then moved to his grandparents therefore appearing in two census records for 1901??

I have also found a record in the 1901 census for Henry Knight (Head) and Agnes Knight (wife), that matches the record for the 1911 census info, children Ada 9, Harry 7, Albert 4, Thomas 3 and Ann Knight 69. If perhaps Henry died in this year, that may explain why again Thomas (Henry) was also living with uncle in 1901 as well.

Have not yet found record for Kate Maria and William Knight in 1901 census.

peterd wrote:

Annie wrote:These are the ones age 13 years plenty more that 12 & 14.let me know if you would like some of the other Thomas Knight.

Annie

1911 : 11 Beech Terrace William Street Birmingham
KNIGHT, E Head Widow F 38 1873 Press Hand Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Elsie Daughter Single F 15 1896 Leather Work Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Robert Son Single M 14 1897 Parcel Delivery Birmingham Warwickshire
KNIGHT, Thomas Son Single M 11 1900
KNIGHT, Harry Son Single M 8 1903
KNIGHT, Jennie Daughter Single F 5 1906


1911 : 191 Watery Lane Small Heath
KNIGHT, Agnes Head Widow F 42 1869 Capston Lather Screw Trade Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Bessie Mother In Law Widow F 77 1834 Banbury
KNIGHT, Ada Daughter Single F 19 1892 Capston Lathe Screw Trade Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Harry Son Single M 17 1894 Horse Driver Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Albert Son Single M 14 1897 File And Float Birmingham Aston
KNIGHT, Thomas Son Single M 13 1898


1911 52b Angel St Dudley County Staffordshire
PARKES, Elijah Head Married
29 years M 54 1857 Vice Maker Forger Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW
PARKES, Phoebe Wife Married F 58 1853 Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW
KNIGHT, Thomas Henry Grandson M 13 1898 School Worcestershirer Dudley VIEW

bottom one looks good

KNIGHT William PARKES Kate M 1896 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/041/184

but can we find these in 1901 see which henry is not there ?