Mary Sidaway and William Holt

[Northern Lass]

Have looked up a marriage
I dont think it is our Mary Ann we were after the one here...
we are running with this on the Mary ann Billingham thread.

1851 census
Locks Lane, Kingswinford
William Holt, head, 33, Coal Miner, Oldswinford
Mary, wife, 30, Holly Hall, Dudley
Emma, daur, 10, Holly Hall, Dudley
Elisha, son, 5, Kingswinford
William, son, 2, Kingswinford
Mary Ann, daur, 8 months, Kingswinford
John Hill, visitor, 1, ?, Holly Hall, Dudley

But I wonder if it is our William Holt
his first wife might have died
or he left her

The William on this marriage below is a nailer ours is a miner

I dont believe he married the above Mary (Ann)
that Emma b 1841 is Regis as Gill
having said that some of the kids may be regis as Holt
I think Mary Ann b 1850 is

So just wondered if we can find the following couple I looked up the marriage for on the 1841

or even Johnathan Sidaway father of Mary Sidaway on marriage

Here is the marriage I looked up...

25 Dec 1837 St Marys Oldswinford<br>
William Holt - full- bach- nailer - Upperswinford- Charles Holt - can't read occup<br>
Mary Sidaway- full- spinster- nailer- Upperswinford- Johnathon Sidaway - nailer<br>
banns<br>
X both<br>
Wit- Thomas Sidaway X / Eliza? Southall

[grangers14]

??
1841 Census
Field Lane, Oldswinford
Jonathon Sidaway, 45, Nail m
Phoebe, 45,
Thomas, 25

Next door is
William Holt, 24, Coal Miner, Not born County
Mary, 23,
/John Parsons, 17, Nail Maker

All others born in County

[grangers14]

Extracted IGI
MARY SIDAWAY
Christening: 15 FEB 1818 Old Swinford, Worcester, Father, JONATHAN SIDAWAY Mother, PHEBE

[Northern Lass]

??
1841 Census
Field Lane, Oldswinford
Jonathon Sidaway, 45, Nail m
Phoebe, 45,
Thomas, 25

Next door is
William Holt, 24, Coal Miner, Not born County
Mary, 23,
/John Parsons, 17, Nail Maker

All others born in County

I think that could be our William Holt
who is age 33 coal miner on the 1851

is there a death for a Mary holt betw 1841 and 1851

1851 census Locks Lane, Kingswinford
William Holt, head, 33, Coal Miner, Oldswinford
Mary, wife, 30, Holly Hall, Dudley
Emma, daur, 10, Holly Hall, Dudley
Elisha, son, 5, Kingswinford
William, son, 2, Kingswinford
Mary Ann, daur, 8 months, Kingswinford
John Hill, visitor, 1, ?, Holly Hall, Dudley


I think that Mary is not the Mary above
and Emma dau there is a Gill I think but Elisah
cant see a birth regis

so where is that Emma on the 1841
big gap betw Emma age 10 and Elisha age 5

[grangers14]

??
Marriage 1847 HOLT William DAVIES Mary Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/005/114

[Northern Lass]

That area is not right Jo

I do think that is our William with first wife

I dont think she is with him in 1851 cos of that Emma being Gill

so that means he leaves Mary sidaway
or she dies

that emma might be useful to find on 1841 or is she born after census

I also wonder how William Holt links to Susannah Holt
cos bet they do!

[grangers14]

Could that Hill be a clue??
Or holly hall?

[Northern Lass]

Yes Susannah Holt is Mary ann and Hannas ma
her dau marries a Hill

[grangers14]

cant keep up!

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1847 - Jun
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
HOLT Mary Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/011/344



West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1848 - Dec

Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
HOLT Mary Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/013/294



???? Births Mar 1841 Gill Emma Skeldon Dudley 18 287

[grangers14]

??

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOLT William KIRKHAM Mary A Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/003/138

[Northern Lass]

I think we need to see if that Mary on the 1851 is ours ie Gill
can we find some births for those kids
either holt or gill

[grangers14]

On the 1851 census Mary Ann is down as 8 months this is a possible one, there is one a little earlier though
Births Sep 1850
Holt Mary Ann Stourbridge 18 481


Births Mar 1850
Holt Mary Ann Stourbridge 18 [45]__
Looking at another image for this entry the volume and page number are,
XVIII 501 so
18 501

BUT
theres also this,
Births Sep 1851
Gill Mary Ann Stourbridge 18 513

[grangers14]

??? Possible 1841 Census
Holly Hall, Dudley,
Joseph Gill, 59, Coal Miner
Susannah, 58,
Silas, 35, Coal Miner
Mary, 17,
Rebecka, 3 months
All born County


Oh thats on BCC

[Northern Lass]

need to get birth certifs that sort of span the census

so any on that 1851
maybe Emma

then on 1871 maybe Elisha 1861

so we pick up the mothers name

can you post them and which census

any with unusual names will be easy to find
except cant find elisha age 5 on 1851

[grangers14]

??? Theres an
Emma Holt, 1840, Oct-Dec, Wolverhampton, 17 356

Emma Skeldon Gill, 1841, Jan- Mar, Dudley, 18 287


Eli Caleb Gill, 1846, Jul- Sep, Stourbridge, 18, 447