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*Arc tbc* ----Ellen Florence

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Ok don't get these 2 marriages
is it the same person
and can't find the thread it was on but think some Partridges were living with them
thought it was the Fanny unknown but cant see it

where did we mention about Ellen Florence and the 2 marriages

here they are....strange..what do you think

27 Dec 1863 St John Halesowen<br>
Thomas Hadley Bradley - 37 widower- nailer- boro- Gamaliel?? Bradley - nailer<br>
Ellen Florence X 34 - spinster- nailer- boro- James Florence- labourer<br>
banns<br>
Wit- John Brettell/ Mary Ann Rudge X

and

20 Sept 1856 St John Halesowen<br>
John Partridge X- 22- bach- nailer- boro- Samuel Partridge- nailer<br>
Ellen Florence X - 18- spinster - nailer- boro- no father on certif<br>
banns<br>
Wit- Henry Rudge X / Mary Rudge X

so the 1863 is ours here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =271303440

I will add that
but sure this Ellen was living with a Partridge or a child called Partridge was with this lot..... :(

also need to confirm that fathers name for Thomas hadley bradley
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20 Sept 1856 St John Halesowen<br>
John Partridge X- 22- bach- nailer- boro- Samuel Partridge- nailer<br>
Ellen Florence X - 18- spinster - nailer- boro- no father on certif<br>
banns<br>
Wit- Henry Rudge X / Mary Rudge X


poss witnesses

RUDGE Henry GROVE Mary 1847 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/002/32
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I think it was this one NL
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3904

Sent me more mad than I am!
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Re: Ellen Florence

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rite well I don't understand it my poor brain can't handle it.... :shock:

so do we think the 1863 is ours with father James
and that other one is the other one.....which Jo is going to give us the answer to.... :grin: :wink:

or anyone

cos I am not going thru that thread again
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I'll go back through it but I think its two Ellens. I made a mistake thinking she got married twice but ther is another Ellen. Jimmy noted the age difference I didnt see.
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This first Ellen, I haven't seen her in 1861 yet but this looks like how it goes.

27 Dec 1863 St John Halesowen<br>
Thomas Hadley Bradley - 37 widower- nailer- boro- Gamaliel?? Bradley - nailer<br>
Ellen Florence X 34 - spinster- nailer- boro- James Florence- labourer<br>
banns<br>
Wit- John Brettell/ Mary Ann Rudge X

Possible 1st for Thomas Marriage 1846
BRADLEY Thomas H WESTWOOD Sarah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/001/493


1861 Census
Islington Street, Halesowen
Gamaliel Bradley, head, 65, Nailer
/Thomas Bradley, head, 34, Nailer
Sarah, wife, 34, Nailer, Cradley
Hannah, daur, 14, Nailer
Emma, daur, 11, Nailer
Eli, son, 6,
Amelia, daur, 5,
Rhoda, daur, 3,
David, son, 1,
All others born Halesowen

1871 Census
Islington, Halesowen
Ellen Bradley, wife, married, 41,
Amelia, daur, 15, Nail Maker
Rhoda, daur, 13, nurse,
Phobe Florence, Step daur(in law crossed out), 13, nurse,
Noah Bradley, son, 2
All born Hlaesowen

1881 Census
Islington, Halesowen
Thomas Bradley. Head, W, 55, Nail Forger,
Noah, son, 12,
Thomas Hadley Bradley, 7,
All born Halesowen

1891 Census
Hagley Road, Hasbury
James Bookes, head, 34, Coal Miner Labourer, Haden Cross
Amelia, wife, 35, Nail Maker
Sarah Elizabeth, daur, 4,
Ernest, son, 9 months
Noah Bardley, lodger, 23, French Button Presser
All others born Halesowen



Possible Marriage 1892
BRADLEY Noah MACKLIN Sarah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/006/290


1901 Census
Attwood Street, Hawn
Noah Bradley, 32, Horn Button Maker
Sarah, wife, 28,
Lily, daur, 8,
Rhoda, daur, 6,
Clifford, son, 3,
Dennis, son, 2 months
All born Halesowen

If this is correct it matches up with this on BCC,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =866813648



Transcribed and looks like Bradeley
1891 Census
New Street, Hasbury
Eli Bradeley, head, 36, Bolt Forger
Hannah, wife, 38,
David, son, 16, Gas Pipe Labourer
Gertrude, daur, 7,
Arthur, son, 12,
Beatrice, daur, 3,
Thomas Bradleley, Border, 17, Bolt Forger,
All born Halesowen.

Possible Marriage 1896
BRADLEY *
Thomas WHITE Miriam Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/007/99



1901 Census
Hill Street, Hasbury
Thomas Bradley, head, 27, Bolt Forger
Miriam, wife, 25, Spike Nail Maker
Violet, daur, 1
All born Halesowen
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The other Ellen,
20 Sept 1856 St John Halesowen<br>
John Partridge X- 22- bach- nailer- boro- Samuel Partridge- nailer<br>
Ellen Florence X - 18- spinster - nailer- boro- no father on certif<br>
banns<br>
Wit- Henry Rudge X / Mary Rudge X

1841 Census
Short Cross Halesowen
James Rudge, 65, Nailor
Ann, 65
/Ann, 13,
Thomas, 20, Nailor
Mary Florance 20,
Elen, 1
John Hadley, 15, Nailor, Not Born County
All others born County

1851 Census
Birmingham Street, Halesowen
Thomas Rudge, head,32, Nailor
Mary, wife, 32, Nailor
Ellen Florence, lodger, 9,
All born Halesowen


1861 Census
Islington Street, Halesowen.
John Partridge, head, 26, Nailer
Ellen Partridge, wife, 20, Nailer
Samuel Partridge, 2,

All born Halesowen

1871 Census
Islington, Halesowen
John Partridge, head, 36, Horse Nail maker
Ellen, wife, 30, Nail Maker
Pheobe, daur, 6,
Joseph, son,4,
Kate, daur, 1
All born Halesowen

1881 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
John Partridge, head, 48, Horse Nail maker
Ellen, wife, 40, Nail maker
Samuel, son, 21, Nail maker
Phebe, daur, 18, Nail maker
Joseph, son, 15, Nail maker
Kate, daur, 14, Nail maker
Abel, son, 10,
Cain, son, 6,
Leah, daur, 1 , hasbury
All others born Halesowen

Transcribed as Partide and looks like that
1891 Census
Chaple Street, Hasbury
John Partride, head, 46, Spike Maker, U K
Ellen, wife, 47, Nailer, U K
Abel, son, 21, Spike Maker
Cain, son, 19, Spike maker
Leah, daur, 13,
All others born Hasbury

Marriage info
24 Dec 1850 St John Halesowen
Thomas Rudge- of full age- bach- nailer-boro- James Rudge- nailer
Mary Ann Florence- of full age- spinster- nailer- boro- James Florence- labourer
banns
X both
Wit- William Rudge X / Mary Rudge X


1871 Census
Islington, Halesowen
Thomas Rudge, head, 53, Nail Maker
Mary A, wife, 55,
Samuel Partridge, grand son, 13, Nail Maker
All born Halesowen
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Re: Ellen Florence

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Mary ann Florence and Ellen are sisters

Ellen marries Bradley
Mary ann marries Rudge

Mary ann has dau in 1840 called Ellen she marries Partridge

Jo that is correct isnt it?

can you add and link all this where we need to.....

need to add in Ellen b 1840 to mary ann and an unknown....and then that marriage to Partridge

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Ok will do.

also,
1841 Census
Islington, Halesowen
Gamiel Bradley, 45, Nailer
Hanah, 45,
Thomas, 15,
/Susanah Hadley, 6
Eliza Salt, 25,

Transcibed as Baddley
1851 Census
Gamaliel Bradley, head, W, 56,
Hannah, wife, 61,
Thomas, son & Lodger, 24,
Sarah, daur & Lodger, 24, Cradley
Hannah, grand daur, 4,
Emma, grand daur, 1

All others born Halesowen

IGI extracted Christening, 28th May 1826, Halesowen, Worcester. Father Gamaliel Bradley and Mother Hannah

Others.
Mary Ann Bradley, 30th October 1831, Halesowen, Worcsester. Father Gamaliel Bradley and Mother Hannah


Eliza Bradley, 29th March 1835, Halesowen Worcester, Death, 20th July, 1836, Father Gamaliel Bradley and Mother Hannah
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Added Thomas Jr
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =656915942

Added and Joined Noah,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =801577112

Added Thomas Sr,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =801577112

Added Gamaliel,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =118629142
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It looks like Ellen had a child out of wedlock??
1871 Census
Islington, Halesowen
Ellen Bradley, wife, married, 41,
Amelia, daur, 15, Nail Maker
Rhoda, daur, 13, nurse,
Phobe Florence, Step daur(in law crossed out), 13, nurse,
Noah Bradley, son, 2
All born Hlaesowen

Not got her on 1861 census yet either.
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Added Ellen Florence and Joined her to Mary Ann and put in notes,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =985168369

Added John Partridge,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =410157302

I'll add another thread to look for Johns father Samuel Partridge.

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Gamaliel Bradley Baptism
9 March 1796 St Johns Halesowen
Gamaliel so Thomas and Sarah Bradley

Marriage
26 May 1822 St Johns Halesowen
Gamaliel Bradley X otp bach
Hannah Higgisn otp Wid by GS (Curate)As spelt in Register
Wit: Willm Baker X Sarah S. BakerX
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Marriage
26 May 1822 St Johns Halesowen
Gamaliel Bradley X otp bach
Hannah Higgisn otp Wid by GS (Curate)As spelt in Register
Wit: Willm Baker X Sarah S. BakerX

Oh I thought she was goung to be Hadley to get that middle name!
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